Erotomania sound

[starlord]

Hi

Does anyone have Erotomania intro keyboard sound or can give me some hints on how to create it on K2600.

Tnx

STARLORD

[Lyngs]

Hmm.. just try and put an organ through some heavy distortion. :wink:

[pchanze]

I use LORD'S Blown Amp (Program 762) and just move the first slider up ... sounds pretty ggod

[Stimpus]

can anybody explain how to do it for the triton?

[MatrixGrowl]

On my triton pro x, the distortion organ is a preload sound. look in the A bank of programs.

[Deceit]

Actually, there is some Sync wave sound somewhere.
Try to look for K2000 preset (it's in internal rom) B-2000, it sounds like the one Jordan used live in 1999...and hey, it's not a distorted organ, it's clearly synthetic.
The Erotomania sound is a preset from JD800.
Deceit.

[Enigma™]

...and hey, it's not a distorted organ, it's clearly synthetic.
And hey, if you knew anything about programming and hearing specific sounds, you'd know it actually IS a distorted hammond. Ask JR *I have* Ask Derek, ask Moore.
Yes it is a preset on the JD-800, and it's a distorted hammond. Ask Alex Argento - he has one... but before you start talking like you know what you're talking about, please make sure you get ALL the CORRECT information instead of just trying to sound like you know what you're saying. It misleads people.
Thanks.

[Luca_Capozzi]

hmm maybe both of you are right... is a distorted hammond and, generally, a good hammon sound is done in additive synthesis.... so YES, is a distorted organ and YES, is synthetic if done in additive.. otherwise, if is PCM based, there are many possibilities that the original sample was done in additive.

see ya

[Lyngs]

Perhaps Deceit is "most right", if his definition of synthetic is "coming from a synth, not a mic'ed B3-hammond".
:wink:

[Lyngs]

Yes it is a preset on the JD-800, and it's a distorted hammond.

Hmm.. I have a JD-800, and I haven't stumbled upon it as a preset. It sounds very similar to the Wailing Guitar-preset (the one from the 6:00-intro) but this preset is not a distorted hammond.

I recreated the Erotomania-sound by using the Wailing Guitar-preset as starting point for tweaking and programming some more.

[Feltronc]

...and hey, it's not a distorted organ, it's clearly synthetic.
And hey, if you knew anything about programming and hearing specific sounds, you'd know it actually IS a distorted hammond. Ask JR *I have* Ask Derek, ask Moore.
Yes it is a preset on the JD-800, and it's a distorted hammond. Ask Alex Argento - he has one... but before you start talking like you know what you're talking about, please make sure you get ALL the CORRECT information instead of just trying to sound like you know what you're saying. It misleads people.
Thanks.

hey man there's no need to be so rude you know...
and by the way i don't think jr erotomania sound is that good anyway.

and for what i know that patch came from the "wailing G-U-I-T-A-R" from the jd 800, of course you have to program it a little bit to make it sound exactly like the album

[Georges]

Hmm.. I have a JD-800, and I haven't stumbled upon it as a preset. It sounds very similar to the Wailing Guitar-preset (the one from the 6:00-intro) but this preset is not a distorted hammond.

That's exactly the sound, JD-800 was famous for this guitar-like sound. Let's put it like this: the sound consists of sine and/or triangle waves, so that may be a common point. In the end, it's rather a simple synth sound, whose main ingredient is an overdrive effect.

A distorted organ sound à la Lord just won't compare with the JD-800 sound used by Kevin. A comparable sound would be an old version of the Monster lead I have here on my K, which I got from Enigma or Tog. If you turn volume down and make it polyphonic, then we have a close K emulation of that JD sound.

BTW JD-800 is a subtractive synth and has nothing to do with additive synthesis ...

[Georges]

but before you start talking like you know what you're talking about, please make sure you get ALL the CORRECT information instead of just trying to sound like you know what you're saying. It misleads people.

Just wanted to add that I used to be a JD-800 owner. :wink:

As far as I remember, before I sold it in January 1999, I sampled each of its layers separately, maybe I'll post them here some day, however, I only sampled them with the effects turned on, so that it may not be exactly what people here want, i.e. the raw material only ...

[Enigma™]

hey man there's no need to be so rude you know...



Firstly - I wasn't being rude - Anybody who knows me here knows to take me with a grain of salt - I know Deceit outside of here and he knows if I say something that may come off as harsh, not to take it personally.
secondly - I'm the administrator here. Please don't try and tell ME of all people how to behave.
Thirdly - I can see both points - perhaps I was mistaken, Both JR and Derek used hammond/hammond sounds and if Kevin used Sine and Triangle waves, guess what waveforms are used in an organ recreation?
If this is the case that I was wrong, then it ends up I'm eating my own words which is fine. I'll do it, admitting I was wrong, however, in many instances I'm usually not and this is one of those "perspective" things.

I've gotten the EXACT same opening sound from my Kurzweil using distorted organ sounds, so that's what *I'm* going by. I don't personally have a JD-800 *as much as I'd love one* so again in that perspective, I stand corrected if indeed it is the electric guitar sound that was modified.

In any case, I'll not bother getting into a rant about this. It's the holidays and I simply don't have the time to be bothered.

[Feltronc]

calm down dude :wink:

[Georges]

Triangle waves, guess what waveforms are used in an organ recreation?

That was my point (i.e. "the common point", see here above). :wink:

Maybe an organ does it as well, I have to admit that I also use the KB3 mode, or sometimes the Lines In The Sand lead patch; I guess I'll post it on my website again, comes quite down to it.

Nonetheless, I guess that the sound which everyone looks here for doesn't need to be as complex, a simple sound will do as well, what really matters is the distortion effect after all - remember that JD800 's "hammond" organ patch really sounds primitive compared to the Kurzweil KB3 mode.

[Lyngs]

I totally agree, Georges.

On the JD-800, the Wailing Guitar-preset does not change it's sound very much, if you change the waveform. What really creates the sound is the awesome distortion algorythm of the JD-800.

[Berrido]

You can also use a Purple Organ sound if its preset on your keyboard, I just received a Roland Juno D and the Purple Organ sounds pretty similar to the real sound.

[Deceit]

Try with sync waveforms or similar, or just put anything through a sync or distortion algorythm...
Anyway, Enigma, I didn't mean to be rude. I'm sorry if my expressions were that offensive, my english is far from perfect and it's not my first language, so I thought those lines were normal and fair...sorry everyone!
By the way, about the "synthetic" part of my sentence - I meant exactly what Axiom said. I think it's not a PCM like it could be on Korg - it's not an organ sample actually.
On my K2000, the waveform says "Partial 1-3". I AM an ignorant, my knowledge of synthesis is VERY far from yours, and we both know. But I still think that Partial 1-3 is not a sample from a B3 organ, and the cool think about Kurzies is actually making that wave sound as if it was an organ. That's what I meant, that's what I think.
Deceit.

[Georges]

On my K2000, the waveform says "Partial 1-3". But I still think that Partial 1-3 is not a sample from a B3 organ, and the cool think about Kurzies is actually making that wave sound as if it was an organ.

That's not only a cool thing about K, it's a common characteristic of each subtractive synthesizer.

Partials is what you get when you add several sine waveforms with additive synthesis. In subtractive synthesis, partials is what a given waveform has except of a sine wave (which has no partials). Some waveforms have more partials than others, making sounds basically fatter than others, e.g. sawtooth vs. pulse wave which sounds thinner.

So, your sample description doesn't mean anything, it could be a waveform which would STILL be used for an organ. You can still take your sample, filter it in such a way that its characteristics will be organ-like (i.e. cutting some of the partials via cut-off frequency parameter). Moreover, don't forget that putting a distortion effect over your sound is also a way of adding more partials to a waveform.

That's why Dave gets quite close to the original because filter settings, as much as amp envelope and oscillator settings are quite similar than those of an organ sound.

Check out this link for more information:

http://www.geofex.com/effxfaq/distn101.htm

[Deceit]

Thanks! The more I learn, the more I know!
Deceit.

[Alucard]

Oh God! i thought that the organish sound of Erotomania was taken from a Bontempi! :roll: