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-=AnatomiC=-
11-29-2007, 03:03 PM
Just wanted to share my thoughts about my "field work". I had an assignment, to capture (I prefer "capture" :biggrin: ) some sounds, and mix them together, to create some kind of an audio track.
We used Kudelski Nagra III N - professional analog tape recorder. It was released in '63 and all I can say is "WOW" - and I don't mean World of Warcraft.

The quality of this thing is amazing, no wonder why it's still used today!
I had an omni directional mike, and a cardioid mike.

I walked around city of Brussels, and recorded about 55 minutes of sound data, and I think 99% of them where acceptable for usage, and there where lot's of awesome sounds. It's analog, so even if this thing clipped, you could not hear overdrive. It happened only in extreme situation... when you
modulated for example +15dB, to record a silent sound, a very loud sound, like a shutting door, would be overdriven. Digital recorders - forget it!

I never was able to record such rich sound! I recorded some ambient sounds of an old elevator. The sound, when played back on high volume, literally made me shake in my boots. You could hear and most importantly feel the turbulence, the engine sounds, the parts shaking (every tiny detail)...
Imagine the sounds of cracking submarine shells, played back in movie theaters, and you will know what I mean!
Very professional and fat sound!

And it's also very clear - I recorded a clock work, and it was just to quite, so the indicator gave me -19dB, which is almost the minimum. So I thought, it would sound dirty, because of the amplified noise - no way, even amplified, it sounded crystal clear!

Not to mention the reliability: it will record, without quality compromise in every condition - take in to Antarctica, or Sahara, it will work. (how ever, you have to store magnetic tapes at +4 - +24 C, but it's an other story)
It was 0 C outside, and it worked perfectly. I remember, when our boiler was broken, and it was 0 C inside, my PC and Fantom started very very slow, or refused to start at all! So I guess a digital recorder would not work either.

I think I've found a new passion! "Capture" sound it's an interesting work.
When you put your monitor headphones on, and press "test", you hear the sound coming from the mike, which brings you in an other sound dimension! There are lot's of sounds just don't hear, or hear it in a different way. And when you press record, you hear the tape gaining speed (a split of a second) you hear the sound through the magnetic tape, which is also an other dimension.
It was very cool to discover these new "sound dimensions"!!!
The play back of the sound, was also very magical and organic!

Only let down, is the weight - 15 killogram, or something like that. An absolute maximum what you can carry around, believe me. After 7 hours of recording, my shoulder hearts like hell.

All in all, an awesome machine, and I just have to get my hand on 1! (buy it)

Here are some pics: Whoops - 6 Mega pixel photos, I guess you will have to save them to view them.
Nagra III
http://amadeo.blog.com/repository/471210/2669672.jpg

Me and my new friend - Nagra III

http://amadeo.blog.com/repository/471210/2669670.jpg

jeebustrain
11-29-2007, 03:59 PM
jesus those pics are huge. I had to disable images in firefox just to view the post.


could you possibly resize?

-=AnatomiC=-
11-30-2007, 01:24 AM
jesus those pics are huge. I had to disable images in firefox just to view the post.


could you possibly resize?

Yeah, sorry - I had no time to do so yesterday...

Lol, If I will be a sound designer, this is what I must have... though I would like it more "up-to-date".

There is newer versions of Nagra, still the same design (analog), but modified and more up to date... it was released in '71, but it is their most up to date recorder, and they are still active.

Nagra 4.2
http://www.visualproducts.com/storeProductDetail01.asp?productID=318&Cat=4#bigPic

It's an expensive machine, but why not, if you work as a sound designer?

Grey Loki
11-30-2007, 08:20 AM
Welcome to the world of analogue recording - great, isn't it? :D

I think my favourite thing about recording to tape (aside from the fact that everything just -sounds- better) is that it's pretty much impossible to clip - yes, you can get overdriven signal if you really overload it, but all but the most powerful signals will be subject to that wonderful, wonderful tape compression and saturation.

-=AnatomiC=-
11-30-2007, 02:02 PM
Welcome to the world of analogue recording - great, isn't it? :D

I think my favourite thing about recording to tape (aside from the fact that everything just -sounds- better) is that it's pretty much impossible to clip - yes, you can get overdriven signal if you really overload it, but all but the most powerful signals will be subject to that wonderful, wonderful tape compression and saturation.

It is great, thanks...
I'm a noob at this things, and sometimes you can't predicts how the sound will react (like you are in the city, and everything can happen - you record cars passing by, and then "beep" - you have a "clip"), so it clipped very often, but I could not hear it! Like I said, almost everything of this 55 minutes had a very decent quality (some of them amazing quality, but it depended on how Irecorded) - so yeah, it is great...
Because with digital recorders, everything above 0 dB is for the trash bin.

You have experience with analog recording? What are the leading brands/devices nowadays?
My teacher ensured me that Nagra is very very good, well I believe him... but I haven't tried anything else to compare.

So far I've seen nothing but advantages in analog recorders. Because the disadvantages of it don't bother the professionals, and I hope I'll become one, some day.
For example, it's mono, but professionals usually don't care, because the stereo/surround effect is very often achieved by sound design process, not the recording. So 1 track is all you need, to capture high quality material for studio work.

Grey Loki
11-30-2007, 04:37 PM
I have some experience with studio analogue gear, but i've not ever recorded something on-location to analogue. I believe that currently, Struder are the best for studio machines.

I think it depends on what you're recording as to whether or not you mic it in stereo. Obviously, if you're sampling something like a piano, you'd use a stereo arrangement of some sort, but some sources just don't need it.

RobD
12-01-2007, 03:37 PM
*sigh* To be rich enough to get some analogue gear...

Grey Loki
12-01-2007, 07:19 PM
You can pick up a second hand 1" machine for a couple of hundred pounds. If you want the analogue effect, but don't want the associated cost, why not get a two track machine and just run your mixes off from your DAW of choice to tape, and then back into your DAW? Presto - instant tape warmth!

If you were clever, you could also set it up through a stereo bus so you could apply it as an effect to some parts, but not others.

-=AnatomiC=-
12-02-2007, 05:15 AM
Hmm... I haven't found "Struder" site :frown: and I'm not a bad Internet searcher.
Could you give a link?
Though, I'm more interested in portable recorders, for the moment...

This thing is not so expensive, actually, you can get one, and even more modern version (stereo, and even with Time Code), for +-500 euro at EBay, very reasonable price.
First, I would like to know, what the other options are.

Grey Loki
12-02-2007, 09:21 AM
This thing is not so expensive, actually, you can get one, and even more modern version (stereo, and even with Time Code), for +-500 euro at EBay, very reasonable price.
First, I would like to know, what the other options are.

If you mean Timecode as in, the stuff that they stripe to the last channel of the tape so it syncs properly, that's been a standard feature of tape machines for a good few decades now :D

Sorry about that - I typo'ed an 'r' into the Studer name - their website is www.studer.ch, but they don't have much in the way of information on their tape machines.

-=AnatomiC=-
12-02-2007, 11:29 AM
Thanks...
"even" was perhaps a wrong word, because yeah, I know - Timecode is a standard since early seventies :biggrin: