A QUESTION FOR JORDAN ( OR ANYOTHER) ABOUT MIXERS

[Karmafied]

Hi my friends i have one question for Jordan or anyother that have any experiencie about this. Ok that`s my question:

-In the NDOBT video (part 9) Jordan shows a mixer in his rack and he talk about all the keyboards and modules are conected to the mixer,my question it`s if Jordan use the mixer for receive all the key/modules audio signal and then he send only the two main balanced outs for the master mix of the P.A. system.

I need to learn this cause, fortunately for me and unfortunately for many sound technicians, i have many pieces of gear and i use 12 audio chansnels and some times the tecs dont have the time or the desiree to do all this channels in the mix and maybe i can use a mixer for make this way easier,but i don`t want to make all the mix work (eq,routes etc)`cause the audio tech have a salary for this jejejejeje and i need the max. audio quality `cause it`s for some big really big live gigs (2000 to 10 000 person in the audiences) and im a musician nor a soundtech jejejeje.

Really many thanks friends

NOTE: for the roland fanto`m owners i come with a new lead file collection the next month. :D

[Lurion]

When you say that you have 12 lines and no mixer... do you mean that you actually hand over to the technician 12 different cables?? (yes, I know that's what it says... it's just hard to imagine!!). Man, I know that technicians have their jobs... but it gets to a point when it's just not fair!! I'd very strongly reccomend getting your own mixer (an 8 channel one does for most people but you might have to consider something larger...) mix that to your desire and then send it to the tech. That way you'll save lots of time during sound checks and you'll have things more under YOUR controll (wich is undoubtedly a good thing). You can find these sorts of mixers for quite reasonable amounts of money.
And about the eq etc. you just set everything flat on the mixer and it all remais the same way it came out of your boards. No problem there either.

[Spacehog]

Gotta agree with Lurion there, I wouldn't dream of giving a sound engineer (even my most trusted engineer and very close friend Tony) the (potentially) 22 cables that sprout from my rig. He's got more important things to worry about (like getting the balance of the drums right). Keys are the easiest thing in the world to mix, cos they're very consistent (or should be if programmed right).

From the look of Jordan's rig, he uses a Mackie LM3204, which is the ideal mixer if you have a large number of boards and/or sound modules. I'm looking at getting something like a Behringer DDX3216 so I can use the Snapshot automation to set the levels song by song, and route my own monitor mix, a stereo mix for FOH and whatever else is needed.

You need very little outboard with keyboards, a little compression across the mix can be necessary sometimes, and in a crappy venue you might need a bit of broadband EQ, but other than that nothing's really needed, your boards should provide it all (that said, I use my Alesis Microverb for Leslie cos it's more controllable than the one built into my Vintage Keys).

Martin

[Lyngs]

From the look of Jordan's rig, he uses a Mackie LM3204, which is the ideal mixer if you have a large number of boards and/or sound modules.


Actually Jordan is using a Mackie 1604 VLZ.. :wink:

[Tigerfolly]

(that said, I use my Alesis Microverb for Leslie cos it's more controllable than the one built into my Vintage Keys).

Good call! I completely forgot about the Leslie simulator in the Alesis effect units. I've got a Quadraverb sitting in my rack, and was bitching about the B3 patches in the PK-6 partly because there's no really good Leslie effect for them. Thanks for jogging my memory.. I'm going to give that a listen next time I set up my rig :)

-TF

[lighthouse]

I`ve always thought that it`s better to have your own mixer cause usually the sound guy doesn`t know your songs, and in that way you can have absolute control of your sound, including EQ but most important VOLUME, cause nobody raises the volume of the keyboard player when he has to do a solo! damn guitar players! jaja

[ChrisMcCoy]

If you need 12 inputs, you may want to consider a Behringer mixer.
If space is a concern, check out the Behringer RX-1602
http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG

[Karmafied]

Many thanks friends,i purchase a Makie 1604 VLZPRO with the rack complement and it`s great, sounds really clear and the friday i can probe it in a live gig, many thanks for the info. and now i have another question does anyone have an Alesis Bitrman Multidistortion unit, i read some specs today and sound like a great fx unit for my MS2000 virtual analog synth but i like to read some opinions about this processor. Many thanks for alla :D

[Over The Edge]

I think JR uses the older Mackie 1604 as a line mixer.



FL
www.franklucas.net

[Lyngs]

I think JR uses the older Mackie 1604 as a line mixer.



FL
www.franklucas.net

Nope:

LIVE:

Kurzweil 2600 88 note Keyboard

Two Kurzweil 2600 Racks
Korg Karma
Korg Triton rack.

Mackie 1604VLZ Pro Mixer
APS Power backup

Glyph and Iomega Hard drives.

PEAVEY KB5 Keyboard Amplifiers


:wink:

[AFKAR]

If you need 12 inputs, you may want to consider a Behringer mixer.
If space is a concern, check out the Behringer RX-1602
http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG

In my opinion, i would recommend against behringer. They seem to sacrifice quality for value.... Go the Mackies VLZ-PRO's \m/

[Axe2Grind]

Too bad you got the Mackie 1604, the new Mackie Onyx with Firewire interface looks real cool.

[Spacehog]

In my opinion, i would recommend against behringer. They seem to sacrifice quality for value.... Go the Mackies VLZ-PRO's \m/

I'd have to disagree with you there, I've generally found Behringer gear to be excellent, their value comes from efficiency and automated production procedures. There is one thing which is a weak link in their products, which is the 60mm faders that many of their mixers come with, they tend to be very succeptible to getting noisy quickly. The 100mm faders on their higher end consoles, and their rack mount gear en masse, is most excellent though IMO. The RX-1602, in particular, that Chris mentioned is a superb product.

Martin

[ChrisMcCoy]

In my opinion, i would recommend against behringer. They seem to sacrifice quality for value.... Go the Mackies VLZ-PRO's \m/

I'd have to disagree with you there, I've generally found Behringer gear to be excellent, their value comes from efficiency and automated production procedures. There is one thing which is a weak link in their products, which is the 60mm faders that many of their mixers come with, they tend to be very succeptible to getting noisy quickly. The 100mm faders on their higher end consoles, and their rack mount gear en masse, is most excellent though IMO. The RX-1602, in particular, that Chris mentioned is a superb product.

Martin

I agree with you. I really like my Behringer. It's nice and quiet and packed with features for such a small unit (1U)

[Over The Edge]

Their Truth monitors sound fantastic...and not just
for the money either.



FL
www.franklucas.net

[AFKAR]

Well its only an opinion guys :) To me the actual feel of the mackies is a lot better and it feels more relaible. Truth be told i havent really looked at the high end behringer stuff...i really only looked at the midrange

[Lurion]

Actually when I said that you could get good mixers for cheap I was reffering to Behringer. Mackie is excellent, true, but it's just too damn expensive.