Midi Slider/Levels Question

[FRETPICK]

Every time I try to fade a sound in with another there a hugh drop in level in my DAW. Then the other sound kicks in. Not like I see on Jordan where there is a gradual fade in between the sounds.

Any idea on how to combat this?

It's like when the second fader goes up the main sound cut's out for a milli second
& then the two are present.:confused: :confused:

[FRETPICK]

Thanks for the inquire.

Cubase 4. VSTi...Halion (VST3)

Midi Track.

1)Piano
2)Strings

Playing 1 track.....piano.....then fader up the 2nd chan with the strings.

Instead of the strings fading into the sound what it does is cut the piano out. Just for a milli secound & then the string sound is present. Just fading the two into each brings a cut out & then the two sounds are there.

Gurus?

This is an example of what I'm getting at.
http://www.motu.com/products/software/ethno/videos.html

Smooth fade in's. Or am I going to have to buy another product for this?]

[rlainhart]

it sounds like your second fader is sending MIDI Volume (CC #7) and the whole system is reacting to the Volume change, instead of just the channel you want. There are a couple of reasons why this might happen: the second fader is sending the CC on more than one MIDI channel, instead of just the channel for the second track; the fader is sending on the correct channel, but the system is set to receive on all channels (Omni Mode); you have everything set to Channel 1.

Basically, when you bring up the second fader, the MIDI Volume message gets set to a very low value, which is then sent to the system, dropping the volume of the whole system down to zero before the level comes back up again. You need to configure your system so that only the track you want to affect will respond to the message coming from the fader.

[FRETPICK]

Thanks for helping. I'll just read that again. Till the penny drops.

& I thought learning scales was hard.:biggrin:

O.k...I have what I'm looking for now. Looks like I'll have to check again very close on the keyboard & the software.

Once again thanks for the pointers & help Richard. God only knows I need it.lol

Turn off Omni Mode?<Good start?

Both on Keyboard & DAW? I feel so lost at the mo.

[FRETPICK]

MIDI MODES

Most of the time, we use our synths polyphonically and set to a specific MIDI channel, so we rarely give MIDI modes a second thought. But there are actually four possible modes of operation defined by the official MIDI Spec.

• MODE 1: OMNI ON/POLY. In practical terms, this means that the instrument will play polyphonically but MIDI channel data is ignored. In other words, whatever you send it, on whatever channel, it'll have a go at playing it. Some older instruments still default to Omni On mode when they're first powered up, which can be a nuisance as you have to switch them back to Omni Off mode before you can use them in a multi-keyboard setup. There are few things that sound worse than a single synth trying to play back an entire composition -- including the drum parts! The only good thing about instruments defaulting to Omni mode is that shop assistants with little or no MIDI experience can usually get a sound out of them.

• MODE 2: OMNI ON/MONO. This is the monophonic equivalent of Mode 1. Mode 2 is little used, but if you want a polyphonic synth to behave like an old monosynth, then it may be useful. Mono mode is also useful for guitar synths, where each string controls what is in effect a separate mono synth, but this requires Omni mode to be switched off.

• MODE 3: OMNI OFF/POLY. This is the most commonly used MIDI mode, especially for MIDI sequencing. In Mode 3, the instrument responds to messages only on its own MIDI channel and plays polyphonically.

• MODE 4: OMNI OFF/MONO. This is the monophonic equivalent of Mode 3. Before multitimbral synths came along, Mode 4 was incredibly useful because it was possible to use simple 4-voice synths (such as the Casio CZ101) to play four different mono sounds on four different MIDI channels. Now that we have multitimbrality coming out of our ears, this kind of dodge is perhaps less important than it previously was. However, Mode 4 is still vital to MIDI guitar players, who need to have each string working on a separate MIDI channel in order to be able to bend notes or apply vibrato on independent strings. Because each string of a guitar is mono (it can only play one note at a time), it makes sense to use the receiving synth in Mono mode to emulate the way a real guitar handles notes.


.Hmmm, Ya learn somthing new every day with this keyboard world. Thanks for the help & direction I should take/where to look. I was like...errrr...hmmm...what to do????

So I'm in mode 1 at the mo & I'm going for mode 3 or 4?

[rlainhart]

Mode 1 (Omni On) was intended for only the simplest setups, where you have one synth controlling another and just want it to work. For anything more complicated, including sequencing with a computer, you'll want to be in Mode 3, so that all devices are set to specific MIDI channels and will only respond to messages on those channels.

So yes, turn Omni mode off on all your devices, and use Mode 3 only.

[FRETPICK]

Thank you soooo much.:smile: :smile:

[FRETPICK]

I still haven't managed to turn OMNI OFF/POLY yet.

Couldn't do it this morning...I tryed in vain.

First (because had other issues) I phone tech support for Cubase 4.
mtsupport. They told me a load of crap. Like I should/could only record 1 midi track at a time.<(yer right.derr!!) Then I said that the VSTi knobs didn't work. The knobs changes the sound O.K, but the screen doesn't move in relation. He then told me to put Read...& Write enable & that should make the screen knobs move with the controller. Needless to say..of course it didn't work. Guy sounded about 17.

So anyway...Going back to the keyboard I phone the dealer..who told me to write an email to CME about the keyboard issues/how to do the above. I wait for an answer as we speak on the CME forum. That should be tomorrow if I'm lucky & that's if anyone gives a detailed answer.

So anyone who owns a CME UF8 & can give me a break down, step by step guide on TURNING OMNI OFF. Will be my new best friend.

At this rate I'm thinking of buying an X8.

[FRETPICK]

IS THIS A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO PLEASE?

http://www.cme-pro.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2337&extra=page%3D4

[rlainhart]

No, this is the opposite of your problem, in a way.

First, it's important to understand that the MIDI Modes really only apply to the device that is receiving the MIDI messages. Most MIDI output devices (keyboards, faders, etc.) only send one message on one channel at a time anyway - that is, normally, you have to specify the channel you want to send your message on (this usually defaults to Channel 1 in most devices, but is usually assignable to other channels.) So, in your keyboard controller, unless you specifically create a layer or split that sends MIDI info on multiple channels, the keyboard will only output to one MIDI channel at a time (and again, by default, this is usually Channel 1).

In the device receiving the MIDI message, the MIDI Mode setting will determine how the incoming MIDI data is interpreted. In Omni Mode, the channel information in the incoming message is ignored, and the incoming data gets applied to all active MIDI channels at once. So, for example, if you had your controller set to output MIDI notes on Channel 1, and it was plugged into 2 tone modules, you'd normally want those modules to be one two different MIDI channels (1 and 2, say), so that they don't both play at the same time. They would both play at the same if they were both set to Channel 1, or if they were both set to Omni Mode, or even if the first one was set to Mode 3, Channel 1, and the second was set to Channel 2, Mode 1 - because the second one if in Omni mode, it will play whenever a MIDI note message comes in on any channel, no matter what. That's why, in a MIDI studio with more than 2 MIDI devices, you want them all to be set to their own channels, and all in Mode 3.

Now, this is further complicated with modules or devices that are multi-timbral - that can play more than one sound at a time. In that case, you'd probably have the module set to receive MIDI data one several channels, 1-8 say, so you could play different parts with sifferent sounds at the same time. If you had 2 multi-timbral modules, you might set the first to 1-8 and the second to 9-16, so you could have up to 16 independent parts going at once. But this would only work if both modules were set to Mode 3.

The CME seems to send on only one channel at a time, which is actually what you want - you don't want to send a flood of redundant MIDI on all channels at once, when you're only trying to play a single line of notes. What you do want is the ability, in the computer, of setting your VST instruments so that they're all in Mode 3. I'm not familiar enough with Cubase to be able to tell you the specifics, but there has to be a way to do it, or you'd never be able to record separate parts with independent MIDI control.

[FRETPICK]

Thank you for your input. It's very much appreciated! Thank's.

I shall go back to the drawing board.

I'm goning to crack this......just may take a while.

[FRETPICK]

This is what the guys at Cubase have managed.

http://cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=72243

:confused: :confused: :confused:

This is CME.

http://www.cme-pro.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2837&extra=page%3D1

[FRETPICK]

Any keyboard gurus:confused: :confused:

Please can you read this thread as I seem to be getting the run around.

http://cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=567638&sid=ec42b14f02a70c12e97c6d9d4d3ccde2#567638

I know everyone is busy but I could really do with the help. Again sorry to keep asking.

I'm getting my butt kicked here.

[FRETPICK]

This is what one guy has told me. He's the only one on that site that's trying to help me. He's very blunt.

"concept"

As you are using two monotimbral synths, the MIDI channel does not matter.
The MIDI channel of the track refers to its OUTPUT, not the INPUT, so is irrelevant here.

What you are trying to do is to remote control TRACKS, not MIDI channels.
I think that is where your confusion lies.

Also, this has nothing to do with omni mode, which in a MIDI track would be like ANY output setting.
ANY: send to all channels
OMNI: receive on all channels

If this is all such a problem, why not just automate the tracks using the Cubase mixer?

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FRETPICK wrote:
You've lost me. Please continue if you can elaborate?

That is just the problem I think: tell me where you lost me!
If you just say you've lost me, how am I supposed to know *what* you don't understand?

Try this:
- no keyboard, just cubase
- set your piano track to channel 13 (or any other)
- does the track still play the piano?

I SAID

With no keyboard. How am I ment to play the vsti?

Record..it...turn off the keyboard & then try?

Well lets say yes for now. Then what? & if no then what?

Back with.
I do not use cubase like you do!
I do not have your faders.
I am trying to clear your confusion on MIDI issues...