Proto Cosmos jam at the Allan Holdsworth forum

[Quili]

Here is a pretty nice backing track for anyone wanting to jam over a fusion tune. It´s made by Simeon Harris at the Allan Holdsworth forum, and is a shortened version of Proto Cosmos, an old Tony Williams/Alan Pasqua composition. I haven´t finished my version yet, but I´m working on it!

Proto Cosmos backing track topic (http://www.therealallanholdsworth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=890)

There is another topic there for posting the jams. Some nice guitar versions around...

[Axe2Grind]

Thats a great backing Quili, I checked some of the guitar version and they are superb. I found it a bit tough and I only took one attempt at it but here it is, its very shaky, nervous and I was trying to experiment as well (That's was fusion is all about) so no laughing. Would be really good to hear yours...


First & Last attempt:
http://www.grostate.plus.com/_Sounds/ProtoCosmos_Justin.mp3

[Quili]

Not bad at all! For being the first and last attempt(?)... :) And I agree, some of the guitar versions are brilliant. Lots of talent out on the web...

It´s kind of different from what I normally play as well so it´s taken me a few practice runs to get into the style, right now it´s time to go to bed unfortunately, but I´ll have something up soon I hope!

[Axe2Grind]

Not bad at all! For being the first and last attempt(?)... :) And I agree, some of the guitar versions are brilliant. Lots of talent out on the web...

It´s kind of different from what I normally play as well so it´s taken me a few practice runs to get into the style, right now it´s time to go to bed unfortunately, but I´ll have something up soon I hope!

I re-did my take, recording when tired is like a bad hangover, the next morning you always regret it. I think I improved upon my first attempt, but its still a hard piece to playover (unless you're a fusion freak).

Same Link: http://www.grostate.plus.com/_Sounds/ProtoCosmos_Justin.mp3

If there are Holdsworth freaks out there, I'd love to hear your version, teach this amateur a lesson or two in Jazz soloing... :)

[Liquid Shadow]

Wow Justin, very nice. I liked the soloing, and that was a great lead for softer stuff like that.

Good stuff. :)




Hmm, methinks I'll record a solo to this tomorrow or this weekend.

[Axe2Grind]

Wow Justin, very nice. I liked the soloing, and that was a great lead for softer stuff like that.

Good stuff. :)




Hmm, methinks I'll record a solo to this tomorrow or this weekend.

Hey Liquid, thanks dude, I used my same lead sound but I put it through Emagic Logic's own distortion (which is way lighter than Amplitube) and also added a bit of flanger too. Will be cool to hear yours.. :)

Justin.

[Spacehog]

That is seriously hard! I've not recorded a version of it, and I don't expect to, but I couldn't even manage to play over that one! Could probably make something happen on guitar, but it all sounds like hard work to me ;-)

Martin

[MoonDark]

I will upload a version soon, can anyone tell me the tones?
Or something to make a better one than the one I recorded... :oops:

Here is my 1st atemp
http://goles.homeip.net/hardfusion.mp3

I just noticed the real tone of the tune. but dam , listen anyway! :P
lol

[Axe2Grind]

Pretty cool MoonDark, neat lead sound too. :) For info on the backing track, I'd check out the threads on the Holdsworth Forum as some of the guys there have written out the chord progression and suggested scales. This jam is definatley not your average toe tapping jam, the timing is hard to keep too. I ended up sticking to E Lydian and E Major, with a few pass chromatic notes. I suppose with the key changes those scales become something else depending on the root. My theory is not all that !...I posted my first attempt too, but it was so bad I had to re-do it, and after listening to the clip on its own a few times, finally got into the rythmn more or less and re-record mine.

Justin.

[Enigma™]

Okay, here's my shit ass take. I was talking to Scrap not all that long ago and he said to me: If it's not your first take, you're not really improvising anymore... Or something to that effect. Anyway, this is what I came up with in my first take. I DID listen to the song a few times though to get the timing somewhat down or to at least get an idea anyway.

http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds/enigma/Protenig.mp3

BTW: I think I'm going to post it over on that thread to see how long it takes them to get that it's not a guitar I'm playing ;) so folks: SHHHH! Don't tell ;)

He he he he

[Liquid Shadow]

Eh, I gotta disagree with Scrap on that one, unless he was talking scrictly about takes when recording. My jazz band plays a few of the same songs at almost every gig. We had a gig about a week ago and then another one today and both were pretty much the same set, being in the time frame that they were. I soloed on almost all the songs both times, and I wouldn't say that today's gig was any less improvised than last weeks...my solos didn't even sound similar to the ones on the same songs last week except for the tones I used on them.
But I can see where he's coming from with the recording aspect of it. If you record something, then do it again right after, you still have the same ideas in your mind and it just becomes a rehash of those for the time being.


Nice job by Moondark and Enigma, btw.

[hephiroth]

here's my attempt...i don't have my triton handy (as usual), so this is on my roland arranger keyboard, but i sort of made a cool little lead on it (just through some layering and adding some effects). as for the "first take" discussion, i did play through it a few times, but this was my first take at recording, so i don't know if that counts or not, lol...anyway, this was a cool and different jam:

Jeff - Proto Cosmos Jam (http://portfolio.iu.edu/jhpalmer/Jeff_-_Proto_Cosmos_Jam.mp3)

-jeff-

[hephiroth]

jeez, enigma...your lead sounds more and more like a guitar all the time. i bet they won't figure it out for a while if ever. lol...good jOb

-jeff-

[Enigma™]

Eh, I gotta disagree with Scrap on that one, unless he was talking scrictly about takes when recording.

yes - gigging is a tad different but recordings... what he ment is that you don't get second takes while playing live...
:)

jeez, enigma...your lead sounds more and more like a guitar all the time. i bet they won't figure it out for a while if ever. lol...good jOb


Thanks man! I actually did some basic programming again with the lead I had before, got a hold of some amp sim that people were raving about how good it is, and loaded it up to work with my Kurzweil ;) I happen to personally LOVE not only how it sounds after the distortion *being that it sounds more like a guitar then it ever did before* but that the tone isn't actually that bad either ;)

I'm going to be playing with this one a LOT I can see. Matt Guillory, here I come lol.

[MoonDark]

Enigma that was awesome! :shock:
And thanks for the support liquid !
:D

[Spacehog]

Enigma, your lead is simply stunning! There are a couple of moments where it doesn't sound like a guitar, but more to do with phrasing and note choice than the actual sound. For the most part though, it's pretty authentic :) Has anyone picked up on it yet?

Martin

[Quili]

Here´s a lead sheet to help you all out! I have yet to record something myself...

Edit: I didn´t do this transcription and I think that the B major chord at the end of the chorus seems to be a bit off... Anyway, most of it seems ok!

http://www.lucaspickford.com/proto.jpg

[Liquid Shadow]

Well I would be recording something over that right now, had Cakewalk not bummed out on me for some reason and quit working...won't record, won't playback, won't do anything. GAH!

[Quili]

I´ve had a bit of a computer crash myself, so I´m sitting at my brother´s place right now typing... I guess XP got tired of me constantly installing/removing programs, keeping several programs running in the background all the time and generally being kind of abusive to the computer... Thank god all my music is on a separate disk.

I´m not even able to start windows in safe mode. The file "pci.sys" is either damaged or missing. I can´t run the installation cd for some reason (it needs a file called "setupdd.sys" which it cannot find). I have also, even though I´ve meant to do it, forgotten to do a system repair disk.

I´ve found a file handling program called "volkov commander" though, which is said to work even if dos doesn´t run... I have yet to try it...