Ok, Ive been inspired.

[Omega Monkey]

All the silly noobs coming here and asking for free advice they dont take anyway, wasting my and others' times has inspired me. So I am going to start a keyboard procurement service.

Basically, you (the inexperienced and/or unsure) will pay me a small finders fee, and I will then find you the right keyboard for you (of course you will be paying for the keyboard itself and any associated costs such as shipping, taxes, etc...). Im thinking to start, $40 or 10% of the budget, whichever is greater (please add $20 or an additional 5% in any non US/Canada/UK/EU country where you have to make a 7 day and 4 night burro ride through the rainforest/desert/mountins/etc... to get to the nearest music store that has more than ancient Yamaha PSRs and an old beat up Bontemi Organ). Then $10/hour for my time (I should be able to give you a good estimate when I know your budget and needs, etc...), and divide the whole thing by 2. What this does, is account for more expensive synths that dont take a lot of time to find (ie better for you), as well as less expensive synths that DO take a long time to find (in fact, cheaper synths are usually more difficult because there are so many and because you have to make certain compromises), which is better for me (so Im not making $4/hour helping you) with an overall cap at 20% of the budget (so things dont get too crazy).

This is actually a great deal. Lets face it, if you are considering this service, I know more about keyboards than you. I have been playing since I was about and learning about and playing various keyboards since I was 9 or so (I had a D-50 at 10 that I was programming from the time I got it). I have played since then pretty much all the major players and some not so major.

JUST the keyboards/synths I have actually owned include models from:

Roland
Yamaha
Korg
Ensoniq
Alesis
Fender
Hammond

And I have playing experience with:

Kurzweil
Clavia/Nord
Waldorf
Novation
Access
Moog
Oberheim
Dave Smith
and more

Not to mention I have been scouring ebay for the last 6 years, keeping up on going prices of many of the major (and not so major) models of keyboards and synths of the last 40 years, so I either know what something is worth, or know how to find out. How about the time I bought a "Roland Keyboard" on ebay for about $125, and it turned out it was a JX3P, with a flight case, and the very hard to find PG-200 programmer (which basically turns it from a toy into a serious synth)? That package would normally go for about $300. So I know where to find good deals. I know the keyboards and synths that sound awesome, but arent "hot" and therefore dont go for inflated prices. The "secret synths" that have many or all of the capabilities of the popular stuff, but without the inflated prices, often costing as little as half. I cant possibly do as bad as someone who doesnt know the first thing about synths, right? If I can save you $100 or more, isnt it worth it to pay me $75? You still come out ahead, with a BETTER keyboard than you could have found yourself!

Here's how it will work. You tell me your budget, and then we agree on a price (I might suggest you adjust your budget somewhat depending on what you want). Then you send me a money order in US dollars, to my actual physical address which can be found through any telephone directory. When I recieve the funds, I will ask you a bunch of questions about what you want, how you plan to use it, what other gear you might already have, etc... Then I go to work. First I consider all the options available that more or less fit your criteria. The I go about locating the best possible specimen of the appropriate keyboard. At this point I turn it over to you and you purchase the synth yourself.

If you are interested, please PM me through this site or reach me via AIM.

[Luca_Capozzi]

Are you serious? oO

[jeebustrain]

I'll be happy to do the same too.. though my services require a short 3-6 month "break in" period with each piece of gear just to make sure that everything is in proper working order.

[Luca_Capozzi]

mmm someone starts to diffuse ganja through our atmosphere.... lol

[Liquid Shadow]

You know, it's actually a good idea.

[Luca_Capozzi]

oO i'm still confused if this is a joke or not... i hope the first...

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

oO i'm still confused if this is a joke or not... i hope the first...

Me too...I think he's serious I wouldn't waste my time writing that amount of characters for a joke... so I guess he is...!

[ImaX]

If he's serious or not - it's a good idea, even though I don't think people will use this service except as an extra-service you can get in a music store - in addition to the normal talking with the people who work there you could "buy" an hour of talking and telling them what you're looking for, after that they send you home with the perfect keyboard in the backseat :-)

BTW: do you think there's a market for a "get your keys ready to tour"-service? I mean taking the equipment you use and program it in an effective way, solder cables and multicores in the right length, buying racks.... and in the end you have an esay-to-set-up keyboard system wich allows you to play the whole show without caring too much about the synths itself..? This is a serious question, I just don't know if there are enough professional keyboards out there (which aren't able to do this themselve).

[Omega Monkey]

Im serious as a heart attack. I like Jeebs idea too! Gotta make sure theres no bugs and everything is working as it should be.

And it would be horrible if this was a music store service. Most of those guys work on commission, so they arent going to steer you towards cheaper used gear, or to anything that the store doesnt have. Im completely independent, so my only interest is getting you the best possible keyboard you can afford for your purposes.

[Luca_Capozzi]

mmm I feel like a perfect idiot continuing to keep alive Progsounds, wasting my time and money, instead starting a procurement service... but, keeping serious, you're only gonna to use your time and experience to help a newbie find his desired new piece of gear. And what about if your customer wasn't happy after the purchase made?

Dude, there are a lot of noobs that, even if it was repeated millions of times, keeps believing that a boss pedal does sequential program change....

Your idea may be good but I find a little disrespectul against a community where people "waste" his time trying to help other users even to find a new keyboard.
Gotta sick of all those noobs asking same questions forever? Well, don't waste your time anymore clicking reply button. We're a community and we try to help each other.

Anyway, if you really want to begin this job, remember to be coherent without replying noobs threads seeking help with suggestions anymore.

Good luck dude :)
Luca

[Syrinx]

How about just a 'sticky' like on many other forums stating the obvious facts about hardware and software synth? And then no one will feel guilty when ignoring threads that start with "How good is the piano on the Alesis ION?".

Best.

[Omega Monkey]

I dont think its disrespectful at all. Obviously I have tried to give a lot of my time and knowledge here in the past, and I will continue to do so, just not in gear buying threads really. If someone needs help programming an AN voice on the EX5, or something like that, I'd be glad to help. I think its more disrespectful to ask a bunch of people who know a lot more than you for advice, and then basically spit in their face and do what you were going to do in the first place just out of stubborness. If youre not going to take the advice, why are you asking for it? This way, I will be helping the people who are serious and receptive. If youre paying for information, youre not going to take it lightly. Of course, the way I have it set up, they can still buy whatever they want. But at least then I dont feel like Ive wasted my time talking to a brick wall.

And then no one will feel guilty when ignoring threads that start with "How good is the piano on the Alesis ION?".

LOL!

Yeah, any idiot knows the Ion has the most supreme piano of any keyboard in existence! Pshh!

[Bastardo Demono]

How about just a 'sticky' like on many other forums stating the obvious facts about hardware and software synth? And then no one will feel guilty when ignoring threads that start with "How good is the piano on the Alesis ION?".

Best.

this is a great idea. we can put up some basics and then everyone can debate to hell all the things and get a good guide going.

I mean good luck omega if you can make money from that, but honestly, its not too hard to give advise to a newb on what to get, usually they only have a small price range and very general needs, and the guy at guitar center can help them for free easily. not too many people have an unlimited budget and very specific needs that don't know much about synths. and its clear to know who to not even bother with

[Omega Monkey]

Hes not helping for "free" he's helping for his commission. Those guys dont just hang out in GC as a hobby. And if you go to GC or a place like that, like I mentioned before, they are going to steer you towards the what they have and the more expensive stuff that they have. Im completely independent and therefore unbiased, so I will tell you whats best for YOU not best for ME.

And like I mentioned, the lower the price range, the HARDER it is to find something, not easier. It does limit your options, thats what makes it more difficult, because you have to weigh different features against each other.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Yeah, any idiot knows the Ion has the most supreme piano of any keyboard in existence! Pshh!

I don't want to sound as a noob nor idiot...

but what do you mean by supreme? is it good?

[Omega Monkey]

It was joke man. The Ion doesnt have any piano sounds (not realistic ones at least). The Ion is a straight VA. Piano is a sound where you really need samples to get a realistic recreation (unless maybe you have a very sophisticated subtractive engine or maybe a high polyphony physical modeling engine). People look at the Ion because its cheap but they dont realize its not an "all around" synth. Thats what makes it funny.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

It was joke man. The Ion doesnt have any piano sounds (not realistic ones at least). The Ion is a straight VA. Piano is a sound where you really need samples to get a realistic recreation (unless maybe you have a very sophisticated subtractive engine or maybe a high polyphony physical modeling engine). People look at the Ion because its cheap but they dont realize its not an "all around" synth. Thats what makes it funny.

ok I didn't get it..yeah that's what I was like...":O I tought it was only for leads and sounds like those"

[Luca_Capozzi]

I think its more disrespectful to ask a bunch of people who know a lot more than you for advice, and then basically spit in their face and do what you were going to do in the first place just out of stubborness.


Holy words


If youre not going to take the advice, why are you asking for it? This way, I will be helping the people who are serious and receptive. If youre paying for information, youre not going to take it lightly.

You're right... anyway, i've just read a thread that, imho, gave you that "inspiration" :)

And I know what you feel... i've felt the same on PS, when some ppl don't give a "thx" even if they download this world and a whole solar system lol
Nope... no thanks and a great "ehi this sound sucks" against who contributed... obviously i've banned those kind of morons. And should I mention who faked to have cancer in order to obtain some sounds?

I'm not joking... that's true.

Sadly, there are people that simply don't have respect for others, crying for help/patches/whatever and then spit on the hand you gave'em.

As Dante wrotes about Virgilio's speaking: "don't care about them, but look ahead and walk".

Cheers,
Luca

[jeebustrain]

I think the problem is that these days, a lot of younger people (mainly those who grew up with internet access) see it as just a repository of information, with people waiting to do their research for them, like it's their job. They expect us to do the hard work for them.

When I was young (early teenager), there really was no internet (and I'm only 28). If I wanted to learn about a piece of gear, whether it be a synth, or drum, I had to either go to the store, call the mfg and request a catalog or other info, or wait till I got the giant Thoroughbred Music or Musicians Friend catalog to pour over specs for hours and hours. On top of that, I'd have to go to the bookstore and pick up a copy of Keyboard or Modern Drummer and read the reviews and make up my own mind. I used to hang out for literally HOURS per week at the local drumshop, just talking gear and learning and exchanging information. I did it, and I loved it. It's one of the reasons I'm such a gearwhore today. These days, you never see teenagers "talking shop" at a music store. I guess they're too busy thinking about the next thing they're going to post on MySpace or something.

Most younger people that grew up with internet access have always had a wealth of information, just "right there." They're not used to doing research. When I was young, I had to go to the library to do research for school papers. Today, they just download a paper off the net. I see all the whiners over at DT.net whining about this and that to the admins (part of the reason why Itchy left). Most of the stuff like this forum, DT.net, progsounds, are labors of love, created and maintained by a community of VOLUNTEERS (a foreign concept these days, methinks), that do it for the joy of helping people and for the love of the art (whether it be music itself or just the art of gear-whoredom). So it's very disheartening and frustrating to see people leaching from the community, taking but not contributing (how many of the "what keyboard should I buy" threads are started on the first post of a user that never posts in any other thread?).

It's just like the thread from last week about the guy asking about an audio-midi conversion tool. He couldn't even fathom the concept that someone would (for free) actually sit there and FIGURE IT OUT. Gosh, what a concept. You want something, you do it yourself. Same thing goes with synth patches. Most people have become preset monkeys and apparently can't be bothered to just crack open a manual and actually learn it themselves. They just look for the easy way out and expect other people to do the work for them.

My only assumption is that they think we're no different than the shmuck at Guitar Center who just wants to tell him enough information to sell him what's in stock and add an extended warranty.

[Egens]

I believe you need to reconsider this Omega Monkey.
Let me remind you that you are not a professional.
Even as a noob I can tell that the Juno-D is the best synth existed... And you,as a professional, can't.

I think you need a few more years of experience.

I hope I made myself clear enough.

[Alkemist]

I agree, there is a great amount of people posting questions that relate to their first purchase, or some other thing they don't want to research. I must admit this lazy approach has been in very abundant use by me myself. Many a forum on the internet has a huge userbase with users using it to show off themselves or their skills, or to gain something from them instead of contributing.

On the other hand, one must consider, that a person who is posting his first post, might not have had any business posting here before he started playing a synth himself. One does have to start from somewhere? Somebody with very little experience in the synth domain, but perhaps a mature and musical person in every other aspect, who happened to fall in love with Dream Theater music and came thus to discover the great world of synthesizers is not automatically a leacher.

I'm not saying every single 'what keyboard' -topic is an example of just starting out and not sheer laziness and stupidity. In the end, people don't really rely on opinions from the internet, and it is not the best use of our time to post lengthy answers to not-so-serious-and-thought-through questions - perhaps the person just needs a nudge in the right direction, as I myself once did when I asked this so hated question. It wasn't until a whole year of research, reading keyboard magazines, internet resources, numerous forums, hardware reviews, user reviews, asking keyboardist friends, comparing prices that I reached my decision and bought the keyboard (which by the way wasn't any of the models I got recommended - but did I make a bad and ignorant choice? No). It is through acknowledging one's needs and one's possibilities that the decision can be reached, with a hinch of strictly personal gear lust ;). So there's no need to get angry with 'first keyboard' posters, after all, it is very hard to make a very bad choice. Whatever we say, they decide it themselves, it's ma matter of telling them what to look for, and look out for, and where to find it.

[Luca_Capozzi]

Even as a noob I can tell that the Juno-D is the best synth existed...

The best synth for you or the best at all? If the answer is the second one, please tell us what do you have to state that so surely.

Cheers,
Luca

[jeebustrain]

I agree, there is a great amount of people posting questions that relate to their first purchase, or some other thing they don't want to research. I must admit this lazy approach has been in very abundant use by me myself. Many a forum on the internet has a huge userbase with users using it to show off themselves or their skills, or to gain something from them instead of contributing.

On the other hand, one must consider, that a person who is posting his first post, might not have had any business posting here before he started playing a synth himself. One does have to start from somewhere? Somebody with very little experience in the synth domain, but perhaps a mature and musical person in every other aspect, who happened to fall in love with Dream Theater music and came thus to discover the great world of synthesizers is not automatically a leacher.

I'm not saying every single 'what keyboard' -topic is an example of just starting out and not sheer laziness and stupidity. In the end, people don't really rely on opinions from the internet, and it is not the best use of our time to post lengthy answers to not-so-serious-and-thought-through questions - perhaps the person just needs a nudge in the right direction, as I myself once did when I asked this so hated question. It wasn't until a whole year of research, reading keyboard magazines, internet resources, numerous forums, hardware reviews, user reviews, asking keyboardist friends, comparing prices that I reached my decision and bought the keyboard (which by the way wasn't any of the models I got recommended - but did I make a bad and ignorant choice? No). It is through acknowledging one's needs and one's possibilities that the decision can be reached, with a hinch of strictly personal gear lust ;). So there's no need to get angry with 'first keyboard' posters, after all, it is very hard to make a very bad choice. Whatever we say, they decide it themselves, it's ma matter of telling them what to look for, and look out for, and where to find it.


and I wasn't necessarily meaning that all of those threads by first posters were leechers.. It just means more often than not that if you go back 3-4 pages to see some of those older threads and you look at the post count of the people, you see that that's the only thread that they post in. I dunno, I just like the "community" feel that this place has with a lot of the members. It's a relatively nice place, with a minimum amount of childishness (unlike dt.net, for example). I think that OmegaMonkey, Axiom, Enigma, and some of the other "regulars" (myself included) like it when new people (perspectives, experiences) are brought to the community. It makes the whole place a little better.

[Omega Monkey]

If I wanted to learn about a piece of gear, whether it be a synth, or drum, I had to either go to the store, call the mfg and request a catalog or other info, or wait till I got the giant Thoroughbred Music or Musicians Friend catalog to pour over specs for hours and hours. On top of that, I'd have to go to the bookstore and pick up a copy of Keyboard or Modern Drummer and read the reviews and make up my own mind.

I remember those days. Im about a year younger than you and I can still remember the first time I used the internet. I wanted to look up stuff about Load just before it came out and I downloaded Until It Sleeps (took freakin forever). That was at my aunts house (the only computers we ever had at my house were a C64 and a Mac + until much later).

But from the time I was like 9 or 10 I was reading Keyboard and EM, as well as some books published by Keyboard that my dad would buy, learning the technical jargon and what was out there (I remember first seeing the ads for the SY99 and thinking it was like THE bad shit!). A little later on (around 13) I started playing guitar too, so I would read guitar magazines as well. Thats how you learn, by just reading as much as you can and soaking it in. Even if you dont use a particular piece of information, it just forms a foundation to build upon, and that piece might lead you to learning something else that could be bery helpful later on.

preset monkeys

Hey! Watch it now!

I believe you need to reconsider this Omega Monkey.
Let me remind you that you are not a professional.
Even as a noob I can tell that the Juno-D is the best synth existed... And you,as a professional, can't.

I think you need a few more years of experience.

I hope I made myself clear enough.

That made about as much sense as afootball bat or a soup sandwich.

Somebody with very little experience in the synth domain, but perhaps a mature and musical person in every other aspect, who happened to fall in love with Dream Theater music and came thus to discover the great world of synthesizers is not automatically a leacher.

Oh, I have no problem with those people. The ones that ARE mature, and respectful, and have some humility about what they dont know.

Its the ones that come here and ask for advice, and then pretend like they know everything already anyway.

I think that OmegaMonkey, Axiom, Enigma, and some of the other "regulars" (myself included) like it when new people (perspectives, experiences) are brought to the community. It makes the whole place a little better.

Oh absolutely.

[ExpressLead]

Hey is this guy serious? Is he really trying to make money in this way?

[Liquid Shadow]

He is serious, and it is not substantial income. It's not like you would wind up paying that much. If you were looking at a $400 board, the MOST he would take is $80, and probably not even that much. Keeping in mind that there aren't a HUGE number of new members asking for help, and considering how many might take him up on this offer (small percentage, if any)...it's not like he is going to make a new career out of this.


I imagine that it's something someone COULD do, if there was a way to get established and have a large enough customer base, but for now he is just offering more professional and practical help than people asking questions, not listening, and then doing whatever they want. The money is just compensation for his time...you wouldn't spend your time looking for and purchasing synths for someone else's needs for nothing, would you?

[Staccato]

I know you are tired of all people coming here, asking silly questions and being ungrateful when you try to give them answers Omega Moneky.. But to be honest, I don´t think selling help will help that problem. Then people will continue not to read about synths, and we´ll have even more people coming here asking many questions about things you can read in the manual or just search in old magazines or in old threads.. but I understand you. It always suck to try to help people when they don´t appreciate it!

[Omega Monkey]

Ok, so apparently this thread actually had some kind of effect. Out of the blue yesterday I got a call from a guy. He wants me to convert some i3 files to midi files for use with a Triton, as well as basically teach his keyboard player how to use the Triton, and paying me $15 an hour (I could have basically named my price, but I didnt want to be greedy, $15/hr seems fair considering I have to drive 40 miles away to get to the place).

Of course, if I end up having to dump every song in real time via a midi cable, rather than being able to convert them, 156 songs x 4 minutes or so each=$$$. But if that happens I will probably just charge him a flat rate.

Pseudo edit: But apparently I can convert them in the i3 as I just found out. Still, Im guessing about 3-5 hours just for the converting, and maybe another 2 showing these guys how to use this thing, so I should end up pocketing about 75-100 bucks.

[Alkemist]

Yippee.. I guess I can see how somebody could use the help of a qualified person for something like that.

[Bastardo Demono]

Ok, so apparently this thread actually had some kind of effect. Out of the blue yesterday I got a call from a guy. He wants me to convert some i3 files to midi files for use with a Triton, as well as basically teach his keyboard player how to use the Triton, and paying me $15 an hour (I could have basically named my price, but I didnt want to be greedy, $15/hr seems fair considering I have to drive 40 miles away to get to the place).

Of course, if I end up having to dump every song in real time via a midi cable, rather than being able to convert them, 156 songs x 4 minutes or so each=$$$. But if that happens I will probably just charge him a flat rate.

Pseudo edit: But apparently I can convert them in the i3 as I just found out. Still, Im guessing about 3-5 hours just for the converting, and maybe another 2 showing these guys how to use this thing, so I should end up pocketing about 75-100 bucks.

Yes I think now this is a great idea. I don't think keyboard newbs would benefit with having other people do the work for them as far as picking a synth out, but being taught about a specific synths or synths in general to help make their purchase decision on their own OR make as much use of the recently purchased synth would be worth the money, I think. Also I just don't think newbs would want to pay anyone to look for a synth for them because they can get some poor sap on a message board to recommend them one, and also because they usually have one synth in there mind that looks good to them, and no matter what you suggest they will end up getting that one. However, when they find they don't know what to do with their recently purchased synth, I think they will find it worth the cash

[jeebustrain]

Ok, so apparently this thread actually had some kind of effect. Out of the blue yesterday I got a call from a guy. He wants me to convert some i3 files to midi files for use with a Triton, as well as basically teach his keyboard player how to use the Triton, and paying me $15 an hour (I could have basically named my price, but I didnt want to be greedy, $15/hr seems fair considering I have to drive 40 miles away to get to the place).

Of course, if I end up having to dump every song in real time via a midi cable, rather than being able to convert them, 156 songs x 4 minutes or so each=$$$. But if that happens I will probably just charge him a flat rate.

Pseudo edit: But apparently I can convert them in the i3 as I just found out. Still, Im guessing about 3-5 hours just for the converting, and maybe another 2 showing these guys how to use this thing, so I should end up pocketing about 75-100 bucks.


you do enough of that, this might be the beginning of a prosperous career as a keyboard tech. Pretty soon you'll be on the Nelly World tour, showing them how to organize their patch changes and make splits so they don't need 4 keyboardists, each with a pair of Tritons and and a pair of Motifs.

[Michael Troy]

mmm I feel like a perfect idiot continuing to keep alive Progsounds, wasting my time and money, instead starting a procurement service... but, keeping serious, you're only gonna to use your time and experience to help a newbie find his desired new piece of gear. And what about if your customer wasn't happy after the purchase made?

Dude, there are a lot of noobs that, even if it was repeated millions of times, keeps believing that a boss pedal does sequential program change....

Your idea may be good but I find a little disrespectul against a community where people "waste" his time trying to help other users even to find a new keyboard.
Gotta sick of all those noobs asking same questions forever? Well, don't waste your time anymore clicking reply button. We're a community and we try to help each other.

Anyway, if you really want to begin this job, remember to be coherent without replying noobs threads seeking help with suggestions anymore.

Good luck dude :)
Luca

Thank You Luca! The whole human race would be soooo much farther if we would all just help each other. Well put!

[gylfih]

I agree with Axiom

[Grey Loki]

Not that I wish to appear rude, but why the heck did you resurrect a thread that's been dead almost a YEAR, just to tack an 'I agree' on the end of it? That's the internet-forum equivalent of entering a conversation about six sentences too late.

[Taurus]

wtf omg lawl

[Grey Loki]

omgliek, y r u bouncin' ze tawpik!

Anyways!

If you don't mind my asking, how is business, Monkey?

[axelord09]

I agree, there is a great amount of people posting questions that relate to their first purchase, or some other thing they don't want to research. I must admit this lazy approach has been in very abundant use by me myself. Many a forum on the internet has a huge userbase with users using it to show off themselves or their skills, or to gain something from them instead of contributing.

On the other hand, one must consider, that a person who is posting his first post, might not have had any business posting here before he started playing a synth himself. One does have to start from somewhere? Somebody with very little experience in the synth domain, but perhaps a mature and musical person in every other aspect, who happened to fall in love with Dream Theater music and came thus to discover the great world of synthesizers is not automatically a leacher.

I'm not saying every single 'what keyboard' -topic is an example of just starting out and not sheer laziness and stupidity. In the end, people don't really rely on opinions from the internet, and it is not the best use of our time to post lengthy answers to not-so-serious-and-thought-through questions - perhaps the person just needs a nudge in the right direction, as I myself once did when I asked this so hated question. It wasn't until a whole year of research, reading keyboard magazines, internet resources, numerous forums, hardware reviews, user reviews, asking keyboardist friends, comparing prices that I reached my decision and bought the keyboard (which by the way wasn't any of the models I got recommended - but did I make a bad and ignorant choice? No). It is through acknowledging one's needs and one's possibilities that the decision can be reached, with a hinch of strictly personal gear lust ;). So there's no need to get angry with 'first keyboard' posters, after all, it is very hard to make a very bad choice. Whatever we say, they decide it themselves, it's ma matter of telling them what to look for, and look out for, and where to find it.


thanks a lot alkemist, cheers to you luca. i really agree with what you said alkemist. indeed, as a noob i am feeling exactly what you said. i suddenly fell in love with the synth but i don't know where to start with it... better start researching then!!! :biggrin:

[Analogkid]

I think I'll continue to keep my mouth shut about this thread. :wink:

[FRETPICK]

If that's the case I could make a mint from guitar players. 10p a post. I'd of retired
by now.lol

A service is one thing & advice priced at someone who has no idea is another.
At this stage it's a trust issue of which they are paying for + your talent & know-how.

If they are willing all well & good. Best of luck to you.

No offence. I don't think I'd pay ya myself. Reason being I would be cutting down learning myself/investigation.

True these simple question get a little annoying but I don't get the impression from people I owe them an answer.

Community</spirit.

Nothing wrong with being a ultrapreneur though.

[Scrub206]

OMG JEEBUSTRAIN IS HERE TOO?! lol hai..


wait didnt see that small finders fee :S

sorry

[jeebustrain]

dude, do you want to do me or something?

[Scrub206]

yes i want you.. SO BADLY...


... no lol haha just you disapeared for like ever