New synth

[Egens]

OK, I opened a thread not a long time ago, about the Roland GW-7.
It seems very good to me, not very expensive, and has all I need.

Some of you told me, that Ill may need more options, and maybe it's right, so maybe the GW-7 is not the perfect tool for me.

I heard about the Yamaha cs2x, which is kind of an old synth.
I can get it for bucks... very very cheap (used, cause I don't think they sell new).
it has loads of tones, lots of nice effects.

Heres some more info about the Yamaha cs2x ;
http://www.planet-groove.com/yamaha/cs2x.html

And about the GW-7;
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=657&ParentId=83



Anyway, now I'm not sure what to buy...
Very tough decision...

From reviews, I understand it's very good, though maybe I should get the
GW-7...I'm not sure...

What should it be?
The Roland GW-7 or the Yamaha cs2x??

[Omega Monkey]

Well, I recommended the CS6x. The CS2x is fairly similar though I think. If you buy the GW7 new, you are going to take a huge hit on resale (you will want to sell it to upgrade eventually if you are serious about music). A CS wouldn't depreciate as much since it is already used, and if you sell it in a year or 2 or 3, you can probably get most of your money out of it. Not to mention that the market for arranger keyboards is very limited.

The CS2 would be decent, but the CS6 would be a BIG step up. its basically the little brother of the EX5, except its got PLG capability, which means you can add any of Yamaha's PLG expansion boards which is basically like adding an extra synth. These cards go for about $150 US. You could add an analog modeling card and an FM card or a piano card or a drum card.

Heres a recently ended auction for a really nice CS6X with the AN and VL PLG cards (analog and physical modeling):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-CS6x-Synth-Analog-Virtual-Accoustic-Plugins_W0QQitemZ7415184107QQcategoryZ85860QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

Went for $470 US, thats just over half of what that GW7 will run you and you will have a much better synth in the long run.

But the CS2X is still a better choice overall I think than the GW7. But I would try to go for a CS6X if possible.

[Egens]

Well, I recommended the CS6x. The CS2x is fairly similar though I think. If you buy the GW7 new, you are going to take a huge hit on resale (you will want to sell it to upgrade eventually if you are serious about music). A CS wouldn't depreciate as much since it is already used, and if you sell it in a year or 2 or 3, you can probably get most of your money out of it. Not to mention that the market for arranger keyboards is very limited.

The CS2 would be decent, but the CS6 would be a BIG step up. its basically the little brother of the EX5, except its got PLG capability, which means you can add any of Yamaha's PLG expansion boards which is basically like adding an extra synth. These cards go for about $150 US. You could add an analog modeling card and an FM card or a piano card or a drum card.

Heres a recently ended auction for a really nice CS6X with the AN and VL PLG cards (analog and physical modeling):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-CS6x-Synth-Analog-Virtual-Accoustic-Plugins_W0QQitemZ7415184107QQcategoryZ85860QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

Went for $470 US, thats just over half of what that GW7 will run you and you will have a much better synth in the long run.

But the CS2X is still a better choice overall I think than the GW7. But I would try to go for a CS6X if possible.

I just found out someone sell used CS6X for something like 700$ (Thats the prices in my country...nothing to do about it... the GW-7,costs something like 820$....).

If it is better I have nothing to lose! 'cause it's even cheaper...
But look, its quiet old (1999)... and doesnt have some options, like sequencer for example... (which lets you record what you do, from what I understood), which is something I even have in my CTK, and I can't imagine playing without it... and I know I can use the computer for recording, but it's not the same... Besides, theres a very small variety of tones! (something like 350...including user tones! thats very little! the GW-7 has 990! (including user tones). And I know i can add these cards, but it'll cost...
From what I see, I still prefer the GW-7.

Can you tell me how excactly the Yamaha CS6X is so much better then the GW-7?
Is it the quality? maybe effects?
Cause I sense that I can get more from the GW-7...

[-=AnatomiC=-]

My opinion - GW-7. It looks awesome... :biggrin:
Really, for me desing of a keyboard is really imortant too. A musical instrument has to be beautifull in every way. Roland has a very good taste... everybody prefers Korg or Yamaha, but Roland is still my favorite.
But this is my personal opinion.

[Egens]

My opinion - GW-7. It looks awesome... :biggrin:
Really, for me desing of a keyboard is really imortant too. A musical instrument has to be beautifull in every way. Roland has a very good taste... everybody prefers Korg or Yamaha, but Roland is still my favorite.
But this is my personal opinion.

Actually, me too....
I mean, I would be glad to just finally get the GW-7... And like you said... Superb design! Looks like a masterpiece..

But if theres a possiblity of buying something better that even cost less, I think Ill have to go for it...

Back to my question, then... about the CS6X.
Well?

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Actually, me too....
I mean, I would be glad to just finally get the GW-7... And like you said... Superb design! Looks like a masterpiece..

But if theres a possiblity of buying something better that even cost less, I think Ill have to go for it...

Back to my question, then... about the CS6X.
Well?

Gonna tell you something...If you really want something buy It....but later don't be sorry about what you bought ok?I mean you have fallen in love with the GW-7 that blinds you to other keyboards...so If you really like to but the gw-7 buy it

[Egens]

Gonna tell you something...If you really want something buy It....but later don't be sorry about what you bought ok?I mean you have fallen in love with the GW-7 that blinds you to other keyboards...so If you really like to but the gw-7 buy it

I know mate...

I'm not stupid.

Anyway, so you think the CS6X is a good buy?

[-=AnatomiC=-]

Well, I don't say all other things don't matter. Ofcourse, quality is very important. I wouldn't buy keyboard, just for its looks.
I for example, as you said, "in love" with RD-700sx. I do like how it looks, but I also know that it has lots of stuff that I need. Everybody says "buy s90", but s90 is not what I need (Rd has lots of fans also, but not on this forum, aparantly). RD is much more my type of a keyboard: great piano's, great hammer action, cool strings, ezy to use, etc... it has everything I need. RD is, in the first place, a superb piano. So good looks of RD doesn't blind me at all, and honestly, I won't enjoy playing an ugly instrument.

Ofcourse, it's much harden to choose a good workstation, than a digital piano. And I wouldn't buy the first workstation I see, so think 100 times before you buy.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

I know mate...

I'm not stupid.

Anyway, so you think the CS6X is a good buy?

I didn't say that you're stupid...!

that has happened to me that's just what I'm telling you.. :P

[Egens]

So what?

Should I buy the CS6X?

[-=AnatomiC=-]

So what?

Should I buy the CS6X?

Let's not jump to conclusions. Just go to a music store and try them all, see what keyboard you like most... and take your time, just go there and play it - for hours if you need. I went last time - playd RD for like 40 minutes, I left because the staff started to look a bit angry: it wasn't enough, I will play it atleast 2 more times, before I buy it. (However, I'm pretty certain that I will take it)
That's always the best solution :cool:

[Egens]

After checking the CS6X user manual, it seems to me that this synth is way too complicated for me.....

It has loads of options that I don't think I'm gonna use....and the funny thing is, that you can do almost anything. including recording your voice and using it for a tone - a sampler (In the manual they call it a Phrase clip), but you can't record what you played with the keybaord! (Even my CTK-691 can record! damn! I guess it's because the CS6X is pretty old..)

By the way, I played the GW-7. Maybe I should play some more. I liked it very much though..

Anyway, I spoke to someone who sells a used CS6X. I'm gonna try it at his place... Ill update you.

Oh, and I'm sorry for forggeting to tell you,but I thank you a lot. You really help me here..

[Omega Monkey]

Its almost always better to have "too much" than too little. If you dont use it, you dont use it, and it just sits there out of the way. But what happens when one day you do want to use it, and the synth you bought doesnt have that feature? Then you are screwed.

To answer your question about what is better about the CS6X as opposed to the GW7, I would say... everything, or damn near close. The GW7 is if you want to be in a metal band or do jingles for diaper commercials. It probably has some decent sounds just by being a more modern board. The arranger will be pretty much useless to you (talk about having features you dont need? That whole keyboard is a feature you dont need!) especially for metal.

The CS6X on the other hand, was basically a top of the line keyboard in its time (which wasnt too long ago). Not the MOST badass of Yamaha at the time (that would be the EX5), but that mostly has to do with them both having different feature sets. Soundwise on the sample playback side Im sure they are very similar, as well as control wise (they both have a ribbon and several assignable knobs, the CS6X may even have the awesome "scene" function of the EX but Im not sure). The user interface on the EX is awesome. Very straightforward and flexible, but very powerful once you get to know it as well, and Im sure the CS6X isnt too different in that regard either. But the best thing is that the CS6X can use those PLG cards. The importance of this cant really be understated. Literally it is like adding up to 2 (I think, maybe even 3) separate synths to what you already have. And the cards from what I understand are fairly easy to swap out (I believe they literally "plug in" much like a computer PCI card) so you could have a whole bunch of different cards and switch them in and out as needed (for different gigs or recording sessions or whatever). Not to mention, those PLG cards will work with many Yamaha models from the past 7 or 8 years so if you want to upgrade from the CS6X t o say a Motif ES a few years down the line, you can take those PLG cards and just put them right in the Motif.

The GW7 on the other hand is a dead end. You cant go anywhere with it that it isnt already. Whats there is there and thats it (unless it takes the Roland SRX boards which would be something, but that only gives you more samples to play with).

I dont know, Im starting to feel kind of silly really, because I give what I think is excellent advice gained from years and years of experience with various keyboards and synths, and then most of the time the person looking for the advice just goes and does what they were going to in the first place. Why ask for help if you already know what you are going to do? Im feeling more and more like I should just keep my mouth shut and just let people fail on their own since they will anyway.

You admittedly dont really know anything about synths, yet you are somehow convinced this GW7 is THE PERFECT THING for you. Dont be so hasty. Go do some research. Go play some other keyboards. And dont be afraid of getting something that is "too good" (because that basically seems to be your problem with the CS6X). Look, if you are serious about music, you will grow in to any synth you buy. If you arent serious, then why are going to spend hundreds of dollars on an instrument? Just stick with your cheesy Casio. Any keyboard is only as complex or as simple as how you use it. ANY keyboard can just be used to play the presets. Many of them can be used to create intense and amazing music too. its all about how much effort you want to put into it. I would rather have a synth that could live up to my standards and live up to my imagination, than have something that I was fighting against all the time just to get halfway to what I hear in my head. Thats why I bought my EX5. And now I have access to a lot of sounds and musical techniques that I didnt have before. Then again, Im a serious musician and have been for a long time. If you arent, just save your money and stick with the Casio.

[Egens]

First of all, some of the things you said about the GW-7 are quiet wrong.
Let me remind you that it isnt just an arranger... I mean, it has elements of a Workstation.

I thought about it also, and I think youre right - maybe I'm wrong about the GW-7.
I guess I tryied to convince you, and by that convince myself that it's the best choice for me.

Anyway, now one hear really told me what's the main things the CS6X have and the GW-7 don't... These ca rds you were telliing about seems like a good thing, though I'm not sure ill be able to get them.

So ill bo glad if youll tell me what excactly is the CS6X have and the GW-7 don't.

And I didn't understand... why do you think the GW-7 is not suitable for Metal? I mean, you don't need special tones and effects (except pitch and modulation, and maybe all these resonan and attack stuff, which are existed in the GW-7)...

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

and I think the synthesis on lower-end rolands sucks. I can hardly modificate the patches on my rs-50 I just don't get why I want I use presets better thatn wasting my time trying to

[Omega Monkey]

I dont care anymore. Buy whatever shit you want.

Last time I try to help a clueless noob. They just do what they were going to do in the first place anyway.

[Egens]

i think I found my synth!

The Roland Juno-D...

I know's theres a better model - the Juno-g, but it's more expensive, and again, I think ill have enough from the Juno-D which is has loads of options,tones also.

The only disadvantage is that it doesnt have a sequencer.... Well, I guess I could record at home, though I really like a sequencer...

Anyway, it's even cheaper from the GW-7, and I think it's better.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=429&ParentId=83

It'll cost me less then the CS6X also.

Do you think it's good?
I mean, I think it'll serve my needs..and how about "future needs"? is it professional like the CS6X?

[-=AnatomiC=-]

But what are your needs? All modern synths has same stuff, like USB, midi-outs etc. You can always back-up your synth with a PC/laptop. Actually, you can buy a simple MIDI controller... but it sucks :tongue:

[Omega Monkey]

If you dont have the instincts to find good gear, when you cant spit and not hit some, especially after much more educated and experience people have TOLD YOU what stuff is good, then you deserve whatever crap you end up with.

Why dont you go back to the earliest posts in this foumr (gear talk) and read as many threads as you can find about buying synths. Look at the gear that is recommended over and over and over. If the stuff you are looking at isnt really on that list, that should tell you something.

Its like youre trying to buy a car and youre saying you dont need things when you dont even know what they are. "Anti lock brakes? I will never use that, its too complicated" "10 speaker stereo? That sounds confusing, I dont want it". If you had been playing for a long time and knew what all this stuff was capable of, you would be smart enough to know that almost all of it can come in handy from time to time. Then again, if you knew all that, you wouldnt need a thread asking for advice either. Which makes it doubly important to actually LISTEN to what people are trying to tell you. If you want the GW7, just fucking buy it and quit wasting people's time. No amount of logic and reasoning seems that it will dissuade you anyway.

But dont take my word for it. Look at the recent thread where a guy was in the same boat you are. I told him "dont buy a QS6" so what does he do, he goes out and impulsively buys a QS6. Then he comes back a while later saying how unhappy he is with it. If he just listened in the first place, he would be off making music instead of complaining that he made an avoidable mistake.

But thats it, as far as Im concerned, the noobs can fend for themselves from now on, and overpay for shit gear when they could usually pay less and get more if they would only listen to the voice of experience. Good luck (they'll need it).

[Egens]

Dude... calm down!

And you still didn't answer my question.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Dude... calm down!

And you still didn't answer my question.

I don't think he's going to...and I reall think that all he has said worth to buy the csx6

and all roland low-ends suck...in fact almost low ends synth sucks..! so you should buy a used synth but a good one

[Omega Monkey]

If you want any more help from me, you will have to use my service as described in this thread:

http://www.jordanrudess.com/phpbb/showthread.php?p=59095#post59095

[Egens]

Omega Monkey, first of all, you're not the best.
I believe you think youre the most professional keboarder in the entire world.
Well, youre not.... actually, youre just a ***** piece of ********* **** *** who thinks he owns us all.

Second of all, I'll buy whatever I want... You shouldn't give a damn about what Ill gonna buy. All youve got to do is tell me what you think is good. and you did.
That's it. Youre work here has ended!

And one more thing.
I know I'm not a pro (Like you... lol), but I'm sure that all of the synth which I spoke about are perfectly fine, cause no company would make a worse synth and sell it for a few hundred dollars.
You should think about that.

And I think I'm gonna go for the Juno D.
The Yamaha CS6X sucks....

[Syrinx]

.......
Second of all, I'll buy whatever I want... You shouldn't give a damn about what Ill gonna buy. All youve got to do is tell me what you think is good. and you did.
............

And I think I'm gonna go for the Juno D.
The Yamaha CS6X sucks....

Well, but then what is the point of asking people here any advice what so ever if you already made up your mind? And what do you mean the CS6X "sucks"? Care to elaborate?

If there is one thing I agree with Omega Monkey, is that you could do much better than the Juno D. The Juno D, while not a terrible choice, by that I mean it's better than a Casio or a Yamaha home keyboard for sure. But....it's lacking a lot of features that you should care to have in your first workstation.
It has lousy keyboard with no aftertouch, small screen, no sampler, no sequencer...etc. For the same money you will be spending on the Juno D, you can get a much better workstation.
I have, and many members here as well, talked about this many times over so do a search and see what your options are.
You will definitely get more, much more, if you go the used route. If I were you I'd shop around for boards like the Roland Fantom/Fantom S, Roland XV, Roland JD-800 (Kev moore used it on I&W), Yamaha EX5/EX7, or Korg Trinity (Derek Sherinian still uses it)/Triton LE.

Good luck.

[Egens]

You named some really professional synth, which are expensive and have loads of bullshit (for me) that I don't need.

Sampler? Bullshit... no one uses this silly option...
About the sequencer... well, it's pretty good to have it but I can record with my pc.

[jeebustrain]

Sampler? Bullshit... no one uses this silly option...



ha. tell that to Jordan. Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean nobody else does.


My suggestion? Buy the GW-7. That way you can feel like you made the decision all on your own and that you know better than anyone else. Nobody here is trying to sell you anything. I personally don't care what you buy. You just asked for advice "is this good?" and you got the opinions of several people who have tasted what a lot of the synth market has to offer.

Then in 6 months when you're ready to sell it because you've outgrown it, you can come back and look at this thread and perhaps heed some of the advice given within.

[Egens]

I'm gonna buy the Juno-D.

[Omega Monkey]

Omega Monkey, first of all, you're not the best.
I believe you think youre the most professional keboarder in the entire world.
Well, youre not.... actually, youre just a ***** piece of ********* **** *** who thinks he owns us all.

First of all, I never said or implied any of that. I can say though with a reasonable amount of certainty that myself and at least some others here know a lot more about synths than you.

Second of all, I'll buy whatever I want... You shouldn't give a damn about what Ill gonna buy. All youve got to do is tell me what you think is good. and you did.
That's it. Youre work here has ended!

Right, thats why I gave up on you. you ask for advice that you have no intention of listening to, which is a waste of everyones time (including yours).

And one more thing.
I know I'm not a pro (Like you... lol), but I'm sure that all of the synth which I spoke about are perfectly fine, cause no company would make a worse synth and sell it for a few hundred dollars.
You should think about that.

LOL! You dont know shit about capitalism do you? If that was true, then all you would have would be great synths out there. PSRs and CTKs and the like as well as Triton LEs, Yamaha MOs, etc... wouldnt exist. Companies are ALWAYS trying to to give less and get more. And of course with the type of boards youre looking at (against most peoples here advice) they KNOW that their target demographic doesnt really know that much about keyboards, so they can pretty much sell them anything as long as they make it sound fancy and expensive. I mean, sure, those keyboards are "ok", but do you want "ok", or do you want FUCKING AWESOME? I know what I would choose. NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, who is a pro musician in a band and knows what they are doing is buying a GW7 or a Juno D. No one. You are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage buying those just because they are "convenient".


And I think I'm gonna go for the Juno D.
The Yamaha CS6X sucks....

And you'll reap what you sow which is exactly what you deserve. Of course, you probably will never realize that you could be getting a lot more out of your keyboard if you'd made a different choice. But I hope you do.

You named some really professional synth, which are expensive and have loads of bullshit (for me) that I don't need.

No more expensive (and in some cases cheaper) than the models YOU are so dead set on getting. And how do you know its "bullshit"? How many pro level synths have you ever even TOUCHED, let alone gotten to know what they are really capable of and how it could enhance your music? You dont KNOW whats bullshit and what isnt, so youre not really qualified to make that judgement.

Sampler? Bullshit... no one uses this silly option...

LOL! Yeah, that must be why there are probably millions of samplers out there across the world and appear on probably 75% of the recordings of the last 20 years. But no one uses them. Maybe they just appear on records by themselves, like some sort of audio poultergeist. What do you think the Juno D and the GW7 are? They are just "samplers" that are preloaded with sounds that you cant change (the samples themselves at least). Sampling ability just allows you to take sounds from any source, be it your living room, a music cd, or a cd rom from a third party sound design company (of which there are probably hundreds or thousands out there, covering just about any instrument or sound you would probably ever need). Certainly not a "bullshit" function. Because I have a sampler (actually I have 2, but I really only use one for its sampling, mainly because it has way more memory), I was able to buy a collection of SIDStation sounds, which to a large degree curbs my desire/need to buy an actual SIDStation. Now, SIDStations these days go for close to $1000 (as the SID chips get harder and harder to come by). I bought these disks with about 25 different sounds for about $15. Or I could take my guitar and record that and manipulate the sound any way I want it. Maybe an orchestra of Fripp like guitar drones, or whatever. The possibilities are literally endless and only limited by your imagination and to some extent your resources.

About the sequencer... well, it's pretty good to have it but I can record with my pc.

Ok, thats pretty much true. But it shouldnt be a NEGATIVE reason to buy a synth. You shouldnt say "well, this one is perfect, except it has a sequencer, so I dont want it". Thats so freaking stupid! If you dont need it or want, just dont use it! In the price range you are looking, its NOT going to be a huge price difference anyway. Not to mention, the GW7 DOES have a sequencer, and you seemed all fine and dandy with that with that one (which also includes a totally useless arranger section which you didnt seem to have a problem with). You are just making bullshit justifications for your choices, because you already decided what you want without KNOWING what you want (because you dont know what there is to want).

ha. tell that to Jordan. Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean nobody else does.


My suggestion? Buy the GW-7. That way you can feel like you made the decision all on your own and that you know better than anyone else. Nobody here is trying to sell you anything. I personally don't care what you buy. You just asked for advice "is this good?" and you got the opinions of several people who have tasted what a lot of the synth market has to offer.

Then in 6 months when you're ready to sell it because you've outgrown it, you can come back and look at this thread and perhaps heed some of the advice given within.

And I agree with all of that. Jeebs as always is very reasonable (except he might sell the OB12... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!).

Anyway, I'll laugh in 2 weeks when you come on here and say the Juno D that you got really sucks and you wish you had gone with something better. Its like we're offering you a steak for $10 and you say "no, I'd rather have a bologna sandwich on white bread", and then you pay $12 for the bologna sandwich and wonder why it doesnt taste like steak.

[Syrinx]

I'm gonna buy the Juno-D.

Congratulations!!!!!! Hope you make the most out of it, I know I won't :D

And still you haven't told me why you think the CS6X sucks? Oh, you said the sampler is BS, ok, this gives a hint. I wouldn't dare asking you what do you think of the Alesis Andromeda then.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

You named some really professional synth, which are expensive and have loads of bullshit (for me) that I don't need.

Sampler? Bullshit... no one uses this silly option...
About the sequencer... well, it's pretty good to have it but I can record with my pc.

In fact I would really like my pc1-x to have a sampler...and later on you would find that the juno d or whatever synth of those you have mentioned sucks..! I tell you because I own one..!

the rs-50 is as the juno d it's almost the same and If you adavance ( If you reall want to advance in synths world what I think you're not I think you want to stay in the same place just touching the surface of the synths world...)
you would need more things and you'd be sorry about what you bought but again it's your desicion but If you don't really want to listen to omega's monkey advices then stop messing here.

what haven't I said a word about a synth for you to buy? because I'm not as pro as omega monkey he know what you need better than me I only told what I don know that those synths you mentioned are crap

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

. I wouldn't dare asking you what do you think of the Alesis Andromeda then.

I think he's going to say:" too many knobs I don't need those, they are crap..." LOL

[Egens]

Holy blastring bloody saint god!

Damn! Youre bullshiting!

Look, First of all, the Juno-D, is a synth. Lots of pro's use it, even some celebrities, check out it's specs in Roland's site.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between a pro synth player (who likes to play around with loads of effects, and edit everything that moves...) - which I'm not, and I wouldn't wish to be, and between an amatour keyboarder, which I believe I am - I really had a nice time with the CTK-691, all I want is something a bit more progressive...).

From reviews, from playing and from friend's opinions, theres nothing wrong with the JUno-D... which is not a "Fucking awesom" tool, though pretty good.
The yamaha cs6x... Hmm.. well, I could buy it from someone who will sells , but he got it for 7 years... which is concerning...

Calm down mate.... Calm the fuck down.

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Holy blastring bloody saint god!

Damn! Youre bullshiting!

Look, First of all, the Juno-D, is a synth. Lots of pro's use it, even some celebrities, check out it's specs in Roland's site.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between a pro synth player (who likes to play around with loads of effects, and edit everything that moves...) - which I'm not, and I wouldn't wish to be, and between an amatour keyboarder, which I believe I am - I really had a nice time with the CTK-691, all I want is something a bit more progressive...).

From reviews, from playing and from friend's opinions, theres nothing wrong with the JUno-D... which is not a "Fucking awesom" tool, though pretty good.
The yamaha cs6x... Hmm.. well, I could buy it from someone who will sells , but he got it for 7 years... which is concerning...

Calm down mate.... Calm the fuck down.

That's what I said you don't really want to advance...ok stay where you' are and buy a juno d...

see ya

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Look, First of all, the Juno-D, is a synth. .

A synth!? Hell yeah
If synths capabilities would be ranked the juno D would be in the rank#1. moogs, k2600,oasys, the andromeda etc.. those are synths rank #10!

[Egens]

Don't mess around.

The Juno-d is a basic synth, right?

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Don't mess around.

The Juno-d is a basic synth, right?

they suck I told you you can hardly modify the patches and you can't get the sounds you want It sucks It's only a "synth" by name cause you can modify the lfo, filters and all that stuff but in a very low level as a result changing nothing..

[Egens]

I'm afraid that the only think that suck here, is you.

You can't admit, that the Juno-D is the best synth.

And that's your problem

[losmusicanos]

The Juno D is a synth, it's right.

A Lada and a Lamborghini... both are cars.

Well the Juno D is more like a small Ford.

The Andromeda would be the Lamborghini.

The Yamaha PSR9000 is like a big family car.

A Korg Triton Studio would be a high-end full-option Mercedes.

A Korg Oasys would be a Bentley.

All of those are synths, all of those are cars. But narrow-minded Bentley collectors will say that your small Ford is not a car. :biggrin:

[losmusicanos]

I'm afraid that the only think that suck here, is you.

You can't admit, that the Juno-D is the best synth.

And that's your problem

Everyone who doesn't admit that the Juno D is the best synth in the world simply sucks! :biggrin:

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

I'm afraid that the only think that suck here, is you.

You can't admit, that the Juno-D is the best synth.

And that's your problem

Ok it's the best synth....

First you cannot say that because you've never owned a high end synth before...

So as jeebustrain mom said " I fyou have nothing nice to say, better to keep your mouth shut.."

Bye man...I'm tired too...

[Egens]

DAMN IT!
I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL SYNTH PLAYER!
I DON'T NEED SO MUCH SHIT ON MY KEYBAORD!
ALL I WANT IS A RESONABLE PRICED KEYBOARD WHICH HAS A REASONABLE AMMOUNT OF TONES AND MAYBE SOME COOL EFFECTS, BUT NOT TOO MANY, CAUSE I JUST HATE ALL THIS MEESING AROUND WITH PURE SHIT.

I rest my case.

[Syrinx]

Holy blastring bloody saint god!

Damn! Youre bullshiting!

Look, First of all, the Juno-D, is a synth. Lots of pro's use it, even some celebrities, check out it's specs in Roland's site.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between a pro synth player (who likes to play around with loads of effects, and edit everything that moves...) - which I'm not, and I wouldn't wish to be, and between an amatour keyboarder, which I believe I am - I really had a nice time with the CTK-691, all I want is something a bit more progressive...).

From reviews, from playing and from friend's opinions, theres nothing wrong with the JUno-D... which is not a "Fucking awesom" tool, though pretty good.
The yamaha cs6x... Hmm.. well, I could buy it from someone who will sells , but he got it for 7 years... which is concerning...

Calm down mate.... Calm the fuck down.

Well, are you sure you are not confusing the Juno-D with the old Roland Juno series? I haven't seen ANY keyboard player in any of the bands I know use it. The old Roland Juno's (e.g. Juno-6, 106) were analog synth and they were very popular for their sounds. The Juno-D is nothing like them (same goes for the Juno-G), it's a scam from Roland to use the same name.

Best.

[losmusicanos]

DAMN IT!
I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL SYNTH PLAYER!
I DON'T NEED SO MUCH SHIT ON MY KEYBAORD!
ALL I WANT IS A RESONABLE PRICED KEYBOARD WHICH HAS A REASONABLE AMMOUNT OF TONES AND MAYBE SOME COOL EFFECTS, BUT NOT TOO MANY, CAUSE I JUST HATE ALL THIS MEESING AROUND WITH PURE SHIT.

I rest my case.

I can only agree, it's pure shit.

The Roland Juno-D is undoubtedly the best synthesizer in the world. Jean Michel Jarre never used it... he sucks! He could have made a whole album only with a Juno-D, it has all the sounds he needs! Trumpets, choirs, synth pads... Why mess around with all the shitty VCS3, ARPs, etc.? Those can't even play more than one note at a time! Haha!

Now you excuse me, I have to practice my kazoo playing!

:biggrin:

[Egens]

Finally a man who understands.
lol.

Well, let me ask you all this;

Forget about the fact that youre pro synth keyboardrs who understand a lot in electronic synth stuff, and all that shit.
And now tell me.. I'm looking for a good sound quality, a reasonable ammount of tones, and some basic synth options. I AM NOT GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL SYNTH PLAYER (If i will become a pro, I don't think I'll gonna play professional synth...cause men who play synth, are not only into music, you know... they like to mess around with everything, to be able to make lots of changes in their keybaord, etc'.... I'm not like that. I mean, I like technnology and stuff, but not that much).
Will the Juno-D\Gw-7 be good for me?
That's my only fucking question.
And again, just forget about pro synthes for a bloody mother-blasting saint second... ok?

[Egens]

The Juno D is a synth, it's right.

A Lada and a Lamborghini... both are cars.

Well the Juno D is more like a small Ford.

The Andromeda would be the Lamborghini.

The Yamaha PSR9000 is like a big family car.

A Korg Triton Studio would be a high-end full-option Mercedes.

A Korg Oasys would be a Bentley.

All of those are synths, all of those are cars. But narrow-minded Bentley collectors will say that your small Ford is not a car. :biggrin:

The Juno-D is my chocie.
Actually, I believe that when ill be older, and will be able to drive, ill take the small ford also, though I think it was bad to compare it to a small ford.... I would compare the Juno D to a Ford fucus. let's say. 2002 model... ...
Let me explain - Ford's cars , are first of all, reliable.
Second of all, I don't need the crazy speed of the lamburgini, or the loxury of the mercedes.
All i'm lookin, is for a car that will take me from point A to point B,which ill be able to drive.

Same with the Juno-D. I'm looking for a decent. and cheap keyboard.But I want it to be a synth! Like I Which has some cool basic synth functions... and by the way,,, the Juno-D is not such an unprofessional synth. guys... it has lots of options, and for it's price, it's really worth it.

[Syrinx]

........ and for it's price, it's really worth it.

You are right only if you are buying a NEW instrument, if you go used, you'll get much more for the money, but I guess you know that already.
If you are comparing the Juno D to the Juno G, it's a no brainer, get the G when it comes out, it's much better. As I understand, the sample set (the onboard sounds) of the Juno-G is identical (if not even updated) to the Fantom X sample set. Plus it has one SRX slot in case you want to add more sounds in the future.

[Egens]

Oh... the Juno G is not available at stores yet?
That's why I didn't see it on store..

Well, it doesn't matter to me... I'm gonna buy the Juno-D. Juno G is too expensive.
Maybe a used one... and by the way.. the price of the Juno D is something like 800$ (I know it surprises you... those are the prices in my country... and if ill get one from abraod, ill have to pay more or lsee the same, cause the tax is pretty high on these stuff... by the way, you maybe now understand, why I prefer the Juno-D.... it's stiil quiet expensive - you can probably get a better synth at this price...but cheaper for other synth... Imagine how much the fantom x will cost, for example...(something like 3600$//)... someone offered a used one(Juno-D), for 640$. should I take his offer?

[losmusicanos]

test it, and if it's really like new and you like it, it can be interesting, you'd save some money

[gusjdt]

Jesus christ! Ignore this prick! He's just wasting your time. Let him buy a crappy keyboard and let him find out for himself the mistake he will make. If he wants to buy a synth that he ignorantly believes is the holy grail of keyboards, LET HIM!

[rock_ya]

Calm down people!
Egens we understood what you want to buy so just go and buy it. If it's good for you it doesn't mean it's good for everyone and since you 're so convinced about it's features you don't need to defend your choice. But please stop fighting and being offensive, this is getting nowhere...

[Enigma™]

Holy wow this thread is sooo done.

LOCKED.