Finally Uploaded a Solo

[Neutronica]

After watching numerous solo's on misc. websites... I finally recorded my own and posted it for all the world to see!

Did it on my Kurzweil K2600X using a rather sexy lead "wink wink"

Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFnYqro3XE

-Neutronica

[Bastardo Demono]

sorry but there is WAYY too much delay on that solo, so it just sounds cluttered. and its alright but obviously is just improvised messing around. at least play this to some sort of back track if you are going to do that, otherwise it is completely senseless. or make it a bit constructed if you are going to go bare

[Neutronica]

First of all... If your going to criticize the lead... Talk to Jordan, because thats his Liquid Tension lead on the K2600... And second... its a fucking solo, and I didnt add a backing track for that reason...

Thanks but, no thanks!
-Neutronica

[Bastardo Demono]

yeah its the liquid tension lead... with about 600% more delay than what jordan uses. you've got like almost a second going there...

so solos are only solos if they have absolutely no music accocmpanying them?

ok well thats fine... but if you are going to play it just as that... random noodling doesn't cut it... come up with something that has melody and phrasing

you certainly have the attitude of a 16 year old. so you've got an expensive toy but can't take critism. I'm saying take away all that delay and try and make something more structured rather than random notes on all the white keys, and it will be better. you dont have to listen to me though, thats the beautiful thing.

[Jwarmen]

wowers...holy delay batman!...sounds really messy....couldn't make out anything..try again with less delay. :smile:

[Bastardo Demono]

wowers...holy delay batman!...sounds really messy....couldn't make out anything..try again with less delay. :smile:

blame jordan, its not his fault!!! thanks but no thanks!!!

[rock_ya]

Hey guys u don't want any bans or a locked thread, right? Stop fighting with no reason and being so rude with the thread starter, only constructive critisism is useful. The "u suck" messages are not useful to anyone :wink:

[Neutronica]

You know what... Forget it... all I fucking wanted to do was post a solo up here because I have been sitting by for months, nicely and kindly watching all of yours... But did I post on your thread and RIP YOU APART AT AN INSTANT?!?!?!

No...

So forget it.. if this is what I get for posting in here...

screw it...
(Yes I can take the criticism, not the assholes)
-Neutronica

[Bastardo Demono]

You know what... Forget it... all I fucking wanted to do was post a solo up here because I have been sitting by for months, nicely and kindly watching all of yours... But did I post on your thread and RIP YOU APART AT AN INSTANT?!?!?!

No...

So forget it.. if this is what I get for posting in here...

screw it...
(Yes I can take the criticism, not the assholes)
-Neutronica

read my first comment. it is not by ANY means ripping the solo apart. it is stating the facts (way too much delay, period) and my opinion, in a straight forward but not insulting way. you obviously just cant take critism.

do me a favorite, go listen to my music a few threads down. I will take whatever you have to say validly. if its clearly insulting, I wont. if it states someone clearly and how to improve upon it, I will listen whole heartedly.

we both encouraged you to try again with a different approach to the tone (less delay) and with some more ideas for the solo

[St0rMl0rD]

like little children, you are...In my opinion, it sounds good, because there's no backing track to it, and so the delay doesn't mess things up too far, now with backing track the delay would be troublesome...

peace out,
jure

[rock_ya]

like little children, you are...In my opinion, it sounds good, because there's no backing track to it, and so the delay doesn't mess things up too far, now with backing track the delay would be troublesome...

peace out,
jure

Totally agree...

[Bastardo Demono]

certainly it would sound even worse with a backing if he had that muchc delay on it... but the question is WHY have that much delay. delay only works if you are playing something very slow, so the echo doesnt get cluttered up and play on top of other notes you play. sounds like a clear case of someone HIDING behind their delay.

[Sandro]

Neutronica... He was only making an observation. Many people critisize an this forum, I don't think he was trying to insult you... So, try to take critisism well....Moreover, about your solo; I thought that it was pretty cool I really like your immitation of Jordan's lead, good job. I also would say to try to hold back a little delay if you were going to play it with back tracking. However, as you said it was a SOLO and it sounds better with lots of delay when jamming without back tracking.... Nice keyboard too

Keep coming with posts like that; I love them! :wink:

[Luca_Capozzi]

I usually stay away from flaming threads but, this time, I should write two words to you all.. first: i've seen the video and this one is the stock Liquid T Lead. It have this kind of delay when used with KDFX.. you can dry it, yes, but this is the factory default. second: Neuro, I know that criticisms sometimes can wound but, listen to me, with your replies you can only put yourself to the path of banning. there's no need to use injuries against who comments your performance or sound. Take it easy, dude. :)

Cheers,
Luca

[gusjdt]

Hmm, I agree with Luca BUT, here's the problem. If I'm not mistaken, Neutronica has the master volume set really high, which means this: JRs lead delay (according to my experiences) doesnt seem to end. It just sounds that way because the delay volume becomes lower and lower until you cant hear it anymore, making it appear that it "taps" 3 or 4 times. However, when you have the volume really high, you can still hear the delay taps after 7 or 8 of them. Happens to me when I practice with my band.

Do you have the master volume set pretty high so the camera can pick the sound up well? If so, then I try playing with it on a lower volume and see if the delay duration is the same.

[Neutronica]

First I would like to start off by apologizing for my, short temper at the beginning. And second I would like to thank Luca for pointing out that it actually is the stock Liquid T Lead on the K2600... Now, I will try and take criticism better in the future and be more tolerant... But please, be gentle (haha)

I had the master volume set probably just a little over the halfway mark when I recorded this... And I recorded it directly into my computer, NOT through the camera mic. I dont mind the delay whatsoever. Yes, sometimes I will agree it can get in the way, but on my bands album, when I recorded the solo on it, you could barely even notice the delay and it sounded great. Maybe I have just gotten used to it more than others. But I also sometimes play with the Liquid T Lead minus all delay, for a cleaner sound...

Thank you for all the input, and again, lets just calm down.

Another will be posted later, lets try again then. Lol
-Neutronica

[Azurlake]

Good one!
Is it any way of making Cubase sound like that LTE Lead? I've already found and edited a square-wave cutting lead and it sounds quite similar (Done with z3ta+ VSTi)
You see, I've got just an old Roland JX1 (well, really I've got 2 more keyboards -88 keys- but with hard keys and without pitchbend)... It doesn't sound any good, but it is what i've got for doing solos because of the mod-pitchbend, and switched to the Cubase through a good soundcard it can give very good sounds.
I'll be waiting for your reply!
thanx

[Enigma™]

I'll simply address it as this:

Neutronica, this is your first warning. It's completely unnecessary to respond in that manner. You ask for help or opinions and then you snap back.

If you're not prepared to deal with criticism, you shouldn't be a musician.

As far as the lead sound goes - JR did program it, but it's *NOT* His lead. It's one that's meant to sound similar to his, and it's programmed around it.

With the delay, I don't think there's too much delay and the delay actually makes more sense in the context of a backing track, as long as the backing doesn't share that delay as well. With that delay on the lead though, it sounds MUCH more well rounded. (Having a proper delay like the one included on the LT Lead makes sense in that it helps bring the lead out. It actually DOESN'T make the backing messy, unless the backing shares the same delay and THAT'S a mess. But the delay works just fine, with a dry backing - I might post one later as an example to show how it works)

As far as the playing is concerned, the faster notes sound uncontrolled and inconsistant and with the benefit of a backing track, it'd be in context and might sound a little more organized.

I'd recommend making just a basic backing track and then playing the lead over that instead... it'll give a better representation of how you play.