Jordan played "Wait For Sleep" live

[maJ estY]

Does anyone else have any information about this? I mean, I don't think that he played the usual version, it'd be cool to hear a version which was arranged by Jordan, don't you think?
I would also be nice if they played it on April 1st, but I don't think so.

[Awake]

As unfair as this may seem, the prospect fills me with the same dread I felt for The Great Gig in the Sky on learning DT would cover Dark Side of the Moon, to be honest. Jordan likes to play fast, and to add fast little runs as embellishments in piano pieces.

[metropolis2k]

As unfair as this may seem, the prospect fills me with the same dread I felt for The Great Gig in the Sky on learning DT would cover Dark Side of the Moon, to be honest. Jordan likes to play fast, and to add fast little runs as embellishments in piano pieces.

Jordan didn't add any fast little runs or embellishments whatsoever to The Great Gig in the Sky.

[Awake]

Jordan didn't add any fast little runs or embellishments whatsoever to The Great Gig in the Sky.Well, good.

[Rudess]

Jordan also really likes to play slow, I've heard. Slow- and fast! Wow- what a concept. Sounds like the beginnings of making music!


Cheers,
JR

[Mantarkus]

I bet no one saw that one comming. :biggrin:

[Enigma™]

Jordan also really likes to play slow, I've heard. Slow- and fast! Wow- what a concept. Sounds like the beginnings of making music!


Cheers,
JR

Repeat after me:

Owned.

[hostVentura]

Haha, definately owned.

I have to say Jordan...that was something I've never expected to see....but congratulations on self-defense - its a trait not many big musicians have.

[Rudess]

I don't want young musicians to become confused about the meaning of technique. Having a "good" technique means the ability to execute all your ideas whether they are incredibly fast or beautifully slow. It is my goal to be able to do both with musicality and grace. Conceptually speaking for the record- Jordan just likes to play!

JR

[dreamtheaterakias]

I don't want young musicians to become confused about the meaning of technique. Having a "good" technique means the ability to execute all your ideas whether they are incredibly fast or beautifully slow. It is my goal to be able to do both with musicality and grace. Conceptually speaking for the record- Jordan just likes to play!

JR

i totally agree..

[godsmcktma2]

Jordan just likes to play!

JR


Jordan and Bob Dole would get along...

[maJ estY]

Wow, thanks for replying my thread, Jordan. :)

So, did you play the original score, or did you ceate a little indivual arrangement?

[Awake]

Jordan also really likes to play slow, I've heard. Slow- and fast! Wow- what a concept. Sounds like the beginnings of making music!Granted, but you will understand the concern, given that a lot of your work with Dream Theater has been, shall we say, "busy." It wasn't intended as a slight, merely an observation, and I don't think it's unfair in the slightest to suggest that you like to add little flourishes here and there.

This goes a fortiori in this case, since I'm pretty sure I remember reading an interview from about the time you joined DT - maybe it was a little before that, right after LTE1 - where you talked about Rick Wright and made the point that you weren't sure how he managed to play so unflinchingly slow, something I took to be backed up by the introduction to One Last Time, which was forefront on my mind when I heard about the Dark Side of the Moon cover.

There's nothing wrong with "slow[] and fast", in context - and while The Great Gig in the Sky is definitely not the right context for fast, I wouldn't have thought One Last Time was either.

[Liquid Shadow]

Why is everybody going into fanboy ass-kissing mode?

Awake just expressed his opinion on Jordan's approach, based on past knowledge of how he plays. It wasn't insulting, it was just how he feels about it. I don't think there was any need for "self defense" (which isn't even what I perceived Jordan's post as) and there's certainly no need for all the LOLZ U GOT OWNT BY TEH JR WTF OMG PWNAGE.

[ktriton]

Why is everybody going into fanboy ass-kissing mode?

Because Jordan's right. Although I agree about the "owned" fanboyisms. The point isn't whether Jordan's busy or not. It's that he can be busy when he wants to.

[Awake]

The point isn't whether Jordan's busy or not. It's that he can be busy when he wants to.Actually, that isn't the point at all - it's about not being busy when the song won't support it. That was the point I was making. I think it's a pretty safe bet that Rick Wright has never played a lick in his life that JR can't play, but the beauty of Rick Wright's playing is that he never does too much, and a lot of Floyd's material is surprisingly delicate; I've heard people destroying it at jam sessions by trying to do too much. And I'm sorry if anyone really disputes that Jordan's style on recent recordings (I'm not suggesting for a moment that DT covers everythin that Jordan does; I am fully aware of this, and have pointed out several times that, a, I think Jordan's contributions to DT have been the saving grace of recent albums, and b, I far prefer his solo albums, which one presumes to be a more apt representation of him as an artist) hasn't leant towards a busier style; even a song like Headspace - for all the world a slow song - has fast little flourishes up and down it. This isn't necessarily a bad thing or a good thing; it depends on context. As mentioned before, as I see it, there are places in Jordan's ouvre where there has been perhaps more flourish than I would consider appropriate, and so I am delighted to hear that he and I apparently entirely agree that Floyd's material is not the place for it.

I've always been very direct and open, both here and at JP's forum about what I regard as the strengths and (IMO) weaknesses of Dream Theater's recent music. What of it I love, I have said I love, without reservation, and not infrequently; but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to express concern and criticism where appropriate.

[Airspeed]

Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything. If you don't like something then turn it off. IMHO, cover music does'nt have to be note for note the same as the original music. I think it's a treat to be able to hear DT play Metallica, Floyd, Iron Maiden ect. and if you're nit-picking the music that much then you're probably not enjoying the music for what it is, MUSIC. : )

IMHO

[Awake]

IMHO, cover music does'nt have to be note for note the same as the original music.I agree, but one always has to be sensitive to the context of the music one is playing - whether it's yours or someone else's.

if you're nit-picking the music that much then you're probably not enjoying the music for what it is, MUSIC.I couldn't disagree more. The more detail you listen to music in, the more you can appreciate it, IMHO. I love taking music apart and putting it back together again, hearing everything that's going on in the piece. There's something to be said, to be sure, about flying over a landscape and enjoying it from the 30,000 feet widescreen view, but there's nothing that beats actually getting out and walking around in that landscape. I've flown over Kinder Scout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Scout), and I've walked over it - and believe me, I had a better time (and garner a better appreciation of it) walking it.

[hostVentura]

Well, let me start by giving my respect to Awake - although at first I contributed to the aptly named "PWNAGE" mode, I also understand that you might not have had your position truely explained. For you to actually continue and stand up for your position, well, thats very commendable. I know hundreds, and probably even myself, that once that whole situation happened would just disappear into the night and let the thread die.

Secondly, I actually disagree with the idea brought along the post that covers don't have to be note for note...Personally, I think that a cover should be as acurate to the original as possible - although with say the Metallica or Maiden covers, this would require a bit of change considering the multiple guitars and no keyboards... I can't stand when people say "yeah, lets cover that song and make it better". To me, thats extremely disrespectful to the original artist, I mean, if you feel the work is quality enough to cover it, it should be good enough to you that you shouldn't improve it. Solos are about the only thing I am okay with changing, because that is personal style, and I mean, not everyone has the same vibe...

That was alot of rambling, but hopefully it made sense.

[normthesamurai]

But if a cover is as close to possible as the original, whats the point of people listening to a cover because its never going to be as good as the original, either that or it will be identical.

A good example is Metallica's garage inc. album. I think its some of their best work and things like stone cold crazy and the merciful fate medley are imo better then the originals and yet its still classic Metallica. But if they released a Cd full of covers exactly the same as the originals, How could you tell that it's Metallica playing?