Fanclub DVD 2005

[Michael B. - The Mirror]

DTNorway, Italian Dreamers, The Mirror, Voices UK and Your Majesty are proud to announce a special fanclub gift for 2005. With support from the band, we are continuing the tradition of a yearly gift for the fanclub members. The fanclubs mentioned have collaborated on producing a DVD, with content not available anywhere else.

If you want to recieve this very special gift, become a member of any of these five fanclubs before 15 november 2005. The production is limited by the number of members, so don't hesitate! Be aware that the fanclubs are regional fanclubs, and publish their material in their own language.




Voices UK - Accepts Worldwide Members
The Official UK Fan Club

E-mail:
kerr(at)voicesuk.net
Homepage:
http://www.voicesuk.net/


DTNorway - Accepts Scandinavian-speaking Members
The Official Norwegian Fan Club

E-mail:
dtnorway(at)dtnorway.com
Homepage:
http://www.dtnorway.com/


The Mirror - Accepts German-speaking Members
Offizieller Deutscher Fanclub

E-mail:
kontakt(at)themirror.de
Homepage:
http://www.themirror.de


Your Majesty - Accepts French-speaking Members
Le journal officiel francais consacre a Dream Theater

E-mail:
question(at)yourmajesty.net
Homepage:
http://www.yourmajesty.net/


Italian Dreamers - Accepts Italian-speaking Members
The Official Italian Fanclub

E-mail:
info(at)italiandreamers.net
Homepage:
http://www.italiandreamers.net/

[Phrozen]

Can't wait ;)

[veronica]

*dances a little happy-dance while "playing" my cowbell*

This is SO good news! Happy member of DTNorway right here! :grin:

[Thefunkygibbons]

And what a great tradition it is

:)

[Thefunkygibbons]

Voices email is incorrect

it is kerry at voicesuk.net

[Michael B. - The Mirror]

a few words by MP


Trust me kids...this is a worthy DVD for the DT collection and you wont want to miss out on getting one.
(Thus why I have "sticky-ed" this thread)

I hope they don't mind me saying so, but just to avoid any rumours/speculation (and possible disappointment as a result), this DVD will NOT contain a complete show (like DSOTM for instance)...
but it does contain MANY complete songs, interviews, highlights and behind the scenes stuff from several shows throughout the European tour.
(the specific contents are what will be kept secret for those who enjoy the surprise...)

The Fan Clubs are putting this together on their own (thank God!), but it is completely band endorsed as myself and the band have all contributed towards its contents.

The (fan club) Spirit Carries On!


MP

[Margaret]

I've read the news over at JP's forum, but never read Mike's words on it, so wow this is stunning news! I am a proud member of Voices UK since I do not speak the other languages very well. However, German is one I do understand, but the speaking part is still difficult and well... If it wasn't for Michi being the leader of the gang... ;) Just kidding, my friend!
Keep up the good work.

[Michael B. - The Mirror]

klick on the link to see the DVD TRAILER

http://media.putfile.com/DT-Fan-Clubs-Trailer

[Thefunkygibbons]

Excellent teaser

me wants already

[Tal Rudess]

This whole issue is truly unfair.
These fan clubs don't want to sell Ytsejammers Israel the DVD. There is no need for our members to register to another fan club and pay another amount of money. We just want to buy this DVD for our members.

We're really "sorry" that we are not considered as "official" because we don't have yet a fanzine (but we will have in a couple of weeks), but people who know us, appreciate what we have done so far to support DT, because we probably did great things that no other fan club will ever do!!!

This whole issue of encouraging people to join fan clubs for the DVD is not right, while on the other hand you prevent members of other fan clubs from getting this DVD. It doesn't make sense.

I just wanted to share my feelings with you and to say that i'm really disappointed that there are people from the "Official" fan clubs who don't want other fan clubs to get this DVD.

[noxon]

As i've also posted on mp.com:


First of all: We do not decide who is official or not. We can only relate to what the band has decided, and as yet the israeli fanclub has not been announced as official. Whether this may change in the future or not is not up to us. And it's not entirely true that your fan club is the only one that arranges group trips; ever european leg, there are groups from each of the participating fan clubs that travel around europe, seeing Dream Theater. How large this group is varies (a lot). And some have been doing it since 1993!

The fan clubs have been releasing an official CD every year since 1996. During that time, more and more fan clubs have become official. At last count, ten fan clubs were announced as official by the band: UK, Norway, Italy, Germany, France, Japan, Brazil, Greece, Sweden and Turkey. When Theater of Dreams, the international fan club, closed it's doors it was announced that the fan club cd "A Sort of Homecoming" would be the last fan club cd. It was announced that the fan clubs were pretty much on their own. This means, the fan clubs had to decide for themselves what to release as an annual gift, if they wanted one.

During the year that has passed since the initial announcement from ToD about them closing down, and our announcement that we were producing a dvd, the only fan clubs that have been in touch with eachother regarding collaboration of some sorts are the five fan clubs involved in the project. The swedes and the greek were told about this project even when i first promoted it back in may, but never did they ask to join us. The Japanese, being a special case in this matter, have been allowed to distribute our DVD (we decided this pretty early on). But then, when we announce our project, then all of a sudden the remaining fan clubs awaken, and wants (even demands!) to take part in our project. We've put down a lot of hard work into this project, and frankly, we decide who we want to sell it to. If you want this dvd, then a membership in one of the participating fan clubs is (at the moment) the only guarantueed way to get it.

What each and every fan club chooses to provide as a gift is up to them. You had all the chance in the world to come up with a project of your own. You had a full year to contact other fan clubs to see if you could collaborate. Don't blame us that your fan club didn't use its resources to make a product. It's not a discrimination, unless you think it is a discrimination that we don't send our fanzines to your members as well. You act like we owe you something; we don't. You cannot demand something when not even all official fan clubs are given permission to distribute this dvd.

That's the thing, we're not required to notify anyone about our project, especially not those who are not even official. We're not required to share our interviews or exclusive material. If we choose to share it, it's on our premises. Every fan club knew that they were on their own, that there would be no common gift. Some chose to collaborate, others have not even said a word yet. It's not up to us to go and inform every fan club in existance, official and unofficial, of what we're doing. It's not up to us to initiate collaborations with those who are silent. If we were to stop and wait for every fan club every time, we would never have released a single thing.

If you have a problem with this, please contact the band.

[Tal Rudess]

You don't have a monopoly on Dream Theater.
It's stupid to prevent from existing fan clubs to get the DVD for money, after all , no one ask it for free because there are production costs of course.
You can not force people to join a couple of fan clubs just to get a DVD. Moreover, what's the point of people from Mexico joining british fan club? Maybe there is no need for regional fan clubs at all, and we need just one internationl fan club?! of course i'm sarcastic, the regional fan clubs are important and we should keep their identity as national fan clubs.

Fan clubs should not be in contest, but to cooperate to promote the band's music. The DVD is a great initiative, but in my opinion all existing fan clubs should take part and distribute it for its members.

We are really disappointed of this wierd situation, and the replies of the guy from the Norwegian fan club just prove that we are right.

Anyway, good luck with the DVD. We will continue to promote Dream Theater in Israel and in the world. Hopefully we will be soon in the "Official" list on Dreamtheater.net .

[noxon]

You don't have a monopoly on Dream Theater.

Correct, we don't. However, there are guidelines that a fanclub has to follow to be considered official, one of which is the requirement to make a fanzine of some sort. Only after a year after the first fanzine, where the fanclub has proven itself that it can follow the guidelines, will it become official.


It's stupid to prevent from existing fan clubs to get the DVD for money, after all , no one ask it for free because there are production costs of course.
It's stupid of you to demand the dvd when you have absolutely no rights to it. We produced a gift for our members that we chose to make available just for them. There is nothing that hinders you from doing the exact same thing for your members. Why is this even an issue? Would you demand our fanzines to send out to your members too? After all, we're preventing you from getting them (as it is now)...


You can not force people to join a couple of fan clubs just to get a DVD. Moreover, what's the point of people from Mexico joining british fan club? Maybe there is no need for regional fan clubs at all, and we need just one internationl fan club?! of course i'm sarcastic, the regional fan clubs are important and we should keep their identity as national fan clubs.
Nobody is forcing anyone to join a fan club. What we -have- said is that if they want the dvd, the five fanclubs in question are the only ones who will have it. It's not much different than how it was before, and you would not be guarantueed a FCCD before, since you aren't official. In fact, there was nothing restricting Theater of Dreams of having members from the countries who had official regional fan clubs or unofficial fan clubs. Often people were members of two fan clubs.


Fan clubs should not be in contest, but to cooperate to promote the band's music. The DVD is a great initiative, but in my opinion all existing fan clubs should take part and distribute it for its members.
But you have no right to decide how the dvd should be distributed. It's not your product! To go and complain here will not help you in any way, it'll only ensure that our reluctance to work with you strengthens. You have been given an answer on e-mail at least 3 times, explaing this very same matter. Even -after- that you dare to go and expose this on these forums? It's not very professional of you, is it.


We are really disappointed of this wierd situation, and the replies of the guy from the Norwegian fan club just prove that we are right.
Right about what?

[Tal Rudess]

Correct, we don't. However, there are guidelines that a fanclub has to follow to be considered official, one of which is the requirement to make a fanzine of some sort. Only after a year after the first fanzine, where the fanclub has proven itself that it can follow the guidelines, will it become official.



It's stupid of you to demand the dvd when you have absolutely no rights to it. We produced a gift for our members that we chose to make available just for them. There is nothing that hinders you from doing the exact same thing for your members. Why is this even an issue? Would you demand our fanzines to send out to your members too? After all, we're preventing you from getting them (as it is now)...


Nobody is forcing anyone to join a fan club. What we -have- said is that if they want the dvd, the five fanclubs in question are the only ones who will have it. It's not much different than how it was before, and you would not be guarantueed a FCCD before, since you aren't official. In fact, there was nothing restricting Theater of Dreams of having members from the countries who had official regional fan clubs or unofficial fan clubs. Often people were members of two fan clubs.

But you have no right to decide how the dvd should be distributed. It's not your product! To go and complain here will not help you in any way, it'll only ensure that our reluctance to work with you strengthens. You have been given an answer on e-mail at least 3 times, explaing this very same matter. Even -after- that you dare to go and expose this on these forums? It's not very professional of you, is it.

Right about what?

VoicesUk just published the first fanzine, and surprisingly became official... don't tell me that after a year after the first fanzine. We exist more years and we proved ourselves much better. I'm really not worried about the official status, as I already talked with MP about it .

It's stupid of you to ignore our tiny request. You produced this DVD to increase the number of members and not to give a gift to the existing ones. I wouldn't demand you fanzines,chill out.

You are FORCING. what explanation can you give to the hundreds of people around the world that joined VoicesUK and other fan clubs just to get this DVD? At least Erik from Theater of Dreams knew to respect all the fan clubs, and he is not behaving rudely like you do.

I have a right to present my legitmate opinion, especially when you don't like it and you know that i'm right. As we are not the only fan club that is being discriminated here, I think it's an interest for all the other fan clubs, and also an interest to all dream theater fans in the world to know how you behave to other fan clubs which is not part of your CARTEL. We were not satisfied by the answers in the email, and therefore decided to continue. I know it's hard for you , but at least all the members here and in other forums will know the truth about this new DVD.

I'm not writing about it anymore.

[maJ estY]

I'm not writing about it anymore.

It's a pity that you don't want to discuss about this anymore! Because it's a pity if different Dream Theater fanclubs - no matter if they are official or not - compete instead that they work together! Actually I think it's great that the official fanclubs without the international one (which does unfortuantely no longer exist) were able to get the whole DVD project going. This is not selfevident. I can understand you, Tal, that you want to offer this very special item to the members of your fanclub, as well, but please try to put yourself in the position of the others!
The decision seems to be that this DVD will only be for members of one of the official fanclubs. You can find the reason for it in noxon's post, and I think that it was not wrong.

Ytsejammers Israel is a pretty new fanclub, nevertheless you can already see that the fanclub leaders have done great work in the past. And maybe it's "Only A Matter of Time" until YI counts to the official fanclub, but as we've learned from the posts in this thread, becoming an official DT fanlub is not a thing of one day or one year. What I want to say is that the fanclub DVD will not be the last "official fanclub" gift. If YI continues working so well, they will possibly be able to offer the next year's fanclub gift as well. Don't be angry that it did not turned out this time as you wanted it to turn out, Tal. Try to understand noxon, do not see the whole fanclub situation as a contest, but try to become a part of the official fanclub "cartel".

Let me add that it's also up to you how long it takes until you will become official. Discussing such things in forums instead of e-mail was a bad start. It was a result of your anger, I guess, but most things are not how we all want them to be. Handle fanclub internals
Keep on working, and please agree with noxon and all the other fanclubs out there. It should all be a "together" and not an "against"!

I really hope this will all turn out well, guys!

[Tal Rudess]

Ytsejammers Israel is a pretty new fanclub, nevertheless you can already see that the fanclub leaders have done great work in the past. And maybe it's "Only A Matter of Time" until YI counts to the official fanclub, but as we've learned from the posts in this thread, becoming an official DT fanlub is not a thing of one day or one year. What I want to say is that the fanclub DVD will not be the last "official fanclub" gift. If YI continues working so well, they will possibly be able to offer the next year's fanclub gift as well. Don't be angry that it did not turned out this time as you wanted it to turn out, Tal. Try to understand noxon, do not see the whole fanclub situation as a contest, but try to become a part of the official fanclub "cartel".

We are not new, we exist for 3.5 years, much more than VoicesUK who surprisingly became official after the 1st fanzine.Of course it's only a matter of time until we get official status, however we can see ourselves among the official fan clubs for what we have done.

Let me add that it's also up to you how long it takes until you will become official. Discussing such things in forums instead of e-mail was a bad start. It was a result of your anger, I guess, but most things are not how we all want them to be. Handle fanclub internals
Keep on working, and please agree with noxon and all the other fanclubs out there. It should all be a "together" and not an "against"!
Well, i'm sure there is always a base for cooperation between the fan clubs, as we already cooperated in the past with some official and non-official fan clubs in some issues.


I really hope this will all turn out well, guys!
I also hope it will turn out well, we're going to concentrate all our efforts to become official, as we deserved to be called. Thanks for your support!

[noxon]

Actually, going around calling yourself official when you're not, just because you think you deserve it, is only going to make the wait longer. Making assumptions, demands and whatnot the same. Acting like a jackass towards other fanclub people, or even taking fanclub matter into places where it truly doesn't belong, same...

And you complain about Voices? Well, Voices filled a gap that was sorely needed filled when ToD died (english-language fanclub). Voices did something you have yet to do: They created a fanzine. Besides, complaining that they have official status and you not isn't going to get you anywhere. It's obviously not your choice (nor mine).

It doesn't matter if you exist for 100 years, if you cannot fill the requirements set for a fanclub to be called official. If you do not know what these are, you should maybe contact some of the people in one of the larger fanclubs.

[metropolis2k]

And for the record it was Mike's decision for Voices to become official. If you have a problem with it Tal maybe you should have brought it up in your conversation with him.

[maJ estY]

Actually, going around calling yourself official when you're not, just because you think you deserve it, is only going to make the wait longer. Making assumptions, demands and whatnot the same. Acting like a jackass towards other fanclub people, or even taking fanclub matter into places where it truly doesn't belong, same...

And you complain about Voices? Well, Voices filled a gap that was sorely needed filled when ToD died (english-language fanclub). Voices did something you have yet to do: They created a fanzine. Besides, complaining that they have official status and you not isn't going to get you anywhere. It's obviously not your choice (nor mine).

It doesn't matter if you exist for 100 years, if you cannot fill the requirements set for a fanclub to be called official. If you do not know what these are, you should maybe contact some of the people in one of the larger fanclubs.

Word!
And I find 3,5 years pretty new. :)

[Tal Rudess]

I already got the guidelines from Erik Hoolseg (maybe you know him...).

Anyway, i'm not worried at all, we will become official soon, as we deserved to be.