lead octavarium.....i find it!!!

[albatros]

http://glenstegner.com/softsynths.html


download minimoog and play the sound n 3 (voyager)....this is the same sound of ocatavarium's lead....try you and tell me wath do you think about it...

[Enigma™]

Though it's NOTHING like JR's main lead sound he uses, it's very similar to the one from "These Walls"

Thanks for the linkage to the free VST's though, I'll hook it up to my keyboard tonight! Awesome!

[hephiroth]

wow...i can hear some similarties to these walls, but not octavarium...still, what a GREAT find!! although i've never played a real minimoog, this minimogue seems to a pretty good emulation of a lot of the sounds i've heard from the real thing. what does everyone else think?

now i have to download and play with the arp!

great site!

-jeff-

[albatros]

i think that you try to play octavarium (part wich JR use lead), you will list the same sound....I' ve try .....you try....sound n 3 (voyager brain salad)...

[Enigma™]

Octavarium is a long song: Which section in particular are you thinking of because as I remember, it opens with strings/Steel lap guitar, and then goes to Piano and Flute, then Guitar and singing... I don't remember any synth leads there man.

Please be more specific?

[albatros]

this part start at 12:16 and finish at 13.49....ok?


http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=31&storycode=10156


download midi file and play with vst sound minimoogg....now you can hear..

[Tabs]

JR played his synthesizers.com analog synth, not a softsynth for that part...

[albatros]

yes.....i know....but the sound it's the same or similar...

[dav]

just tried out this vst...very good!
lots of analog presets, really really fun to play through...

Davide

[jeebustrain]

I've been using that VST for a few months now. I really like it. It's not as warm as the Arturia one, but it's great for being free. I completely replaced my MicroMoog with this VST in my industrial band.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Man, those things are fun. I gotta connect a keyboard to my comp, the mouse doesn't cut it. Then I'll have to see about programming some of these leads into my Ion.

[hephiroth]

you can play on the computer keyboard as well (z-/) and then the appropriate "black keys" above them...then use 2 and 8 on your numeric keypad to switch octaves. it's still not great, but it's better than the mouse

-jeff-

[Liquid Shadow]

These softsynths are way too much fun. If it weren't for my distrust of using them live and my lack of a laptop, they'd definitely wind up in my gig-rig. They're just home studio toys for now...although wonderful toys...and hella addicting. :D

[jeebustrain]

These softsynths are way too much fun. If it weren't for my distrust of using them live and my lack of a laptop, they'd definitely wind up in my gig-rig. They're just home studio toys for now...although wonderful toys...and hella addicting. :D


yeah, as long as you have a pretty decently powered laptop that doesn't have any other crap on it (mine is completely dedicated to my rig), with a good VST host it works fine. I've never had any technical problems gigging with it. Actually, the only technical problem I'd ever had was when my power was cut and my USB midi patch bay got goofed (it powered down and my laptop didn't). All I had to do was shut everything down, then power up the patchbay then the laptop and it worked flawlessly.

[Liquid Shadow]

I think that eventually I will wind up using softsynths, but it will be a good many years until that point. Partly because everything will improve so much over time and I will trust it more, and partly because I'm broke and there's a lot of other stuff I need besides a laptop right now. :p

[LithoJazzoSphere]

The other problem with softsynths is the obsolescence factor. A Korg Trinity is still a great keyboard, 10 years later. A great laptop from 1995 is virtually useless today. I don't have the cash to keep up the light speed computer cycle, keyboards are bad enough as it is.

[Liquid Shadow]

Well it's not so much the laptop as the actual synths. This Moog one for example...it's freaking sweet. If I got a new laptop today, it would be obsolete maybe in as little as a few months..but it's not the laptop that matters, it's the synths on it. In 10 years, it wouldn't matter if I had something like it running on a laptop from today or whatever the top of the line may be by that point in time. If the computer runs, then the programs run, and you're good to go. That 1995 laptop would be just fine, as long as it had enough power to run whatever softsynths you have going and not have any latency issues.


But like I said...it'll be 10 years at the very least until I have the cash and the balls to even seriously consider switching to software for live use. The 10 year old Trinity gets the job done just fine right now. :D

[LithoJazzoSphere]

But that's the problem, I don't believe older computers have the power to simultaneously run all the softsynths you'd need for a show. From what I've read, even today's powerful computers have trouble running Ivory with any other programs, it hogs all the CPU resources.

[Liquid Shadow]

Yeah, and I would imagine that it would be difficult to go from patch to patch and program to program if you had quite a few softsynths going. Or maybe not...maybe there's ways to get around it.


Whatever. *hugs Trinity*


:p

[YoP]

Woaw tanks for the link :) very interesting sounds :)

[gusjdt]

Dude, you're right! It does sound a LOT like the moog lead on 12:16! Awesome!

[Everlasting_Rain]

Sounds great to my ears! This is the start of my way through VST.

I downloaded it some months ago but didn't have a usb controller until now so I just didn't even try.

[jeebustrain]

But that's the problem, I don't believe older computers have the power to simultaneously run all the softsynths you'd need for a show. From what I've read, even today's powerful computers have trouble running Ivory with any other programs, it hogs all the CPU resources.


I don't know about Ivory, but the keyboard player in my Yes tribute band (I play drums in that one) runs a P3-850 laptop w/ 256mb of ram and has no problem running Native Instrument's B4 and FM7, Arturia's Minimoog, and Gmedia's Mtron (mellotron) VSTs all at the same time. He (like me), uses Ableton Live as a VST host and can switch thru all of it with no problem. The only one that gives him issues occasionally is the Mtron, but that's very rare.

As long as you know how to set up the laptop properly (he has a specific setup chain for each song), you can have no problems running it on a slower and older machine.

[jeebustrain]

Yeah, and I would imagine that it would be difficult to go from patch to patch and program to program if you had quite a few softsynths going. Or maybe not...maybe there's ways to get around it.


Whatever. *hugs Trinity*


:p


any decent VST host can take care of that for you. I have all my patch changes completely automated, both VST and hardware.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

I don't know about Ivory, but the keyboard player in my Yes tribute band (I play drums in that one) runs a P3-850 laptop w/ 256mb of ram and has no problem running Native Instrument's B4 and FM7, Arturia's Minimoog, and Gmedia's Mtron (mellotron) VSTs all at the same time. He (like me), uses Ableton Live as a VST host and can switch thru all of it with no problem. The only one that gives him issues occasionally is the Mtron, but that's very rare.

As long as you know how to set up the laptop properly (he has a specific setup chain for each song), you can have no problems running it on a slower and older machine.

That's still only about a 4-5 year old computer. How well would he be able to run newer programs on it 15 years down the road? Keyboard gear doesn't become obsolete nearly as fast as computers. And I'm still skeptical that the average non-computer oriented person could gig frequently and not run into problems. Most people have enough problems with computers at home. I think that one day softsynths might be a great option for everyone, but I don't believe that day is here quite yet. This could be an entire thread in and out of itself (and many such threads have occurred on various BB's before).

[jeebustrain]

That's still only about a 4-5 year old computer. How well would he be able to run newer programs on it 15 years down the road?

Probably about as well as you can install the Karma engine on a Korg M1. There's really no difference. If you have something now that runs a particular set of soft synths fairly well, 15 years down the road, it will still be able to run those same soft synths. The only thing you will have to worry about is parts (which is the same with a hardware synth).



And I'm still skeptical that the average non-computer oriented person could gig frequently and not run into problems. Most people have enough problems with computers at home.

I stand with my original point. As long as you're not surfing porno and installing every freeware program and game demo on your gigging laptop and use it only for it's primary purpose (playing music), it will be fine. You don't compose music with your lawn mower. Likewise, you shouldn't be writing papers and playing FPS games on your synthesizer. I agree that people can have trouble with computers in this regard, but that only happens when they try to make their music making PC do everything else. If you're going to seriously use a PC live, there are a few sacrifices you have to make.

I helped set up my keyboardist's laptop. I disabled the onboard nic and modem, I uninstalled everything that wasn't directly related to making music, and created a user (on winXP) that has no priveleges other than running the music programs. It has no antivirus, no firewall, no spyware searcher, and I disabled the browser. It's absolutely rock solid because he doesn't do anything else with it.

And if you're going to say that it's hard to justify spending $1000-$1500 on a laptop for the sole purpose of making music and not doing any other normal PC uses, what's the difference between that and spending $2000 on a keyboard workstation (or worse yet, a $$ rack module like a K2600R)? My keyboardist paid $350 for his laptop on Ebay and that's all that it's used for.