I need a Sherinian / Rudess dirty synth lead patch

[sfx70]

Hey all
I use a Motif Rack and I want to create that awesome tone that Jordan and Derek uses when soloing. You know that dirty nasty cool synth type patch that almost sounds like a distorted guitar .
They use expression pedals for WAH WAH or filter effects so that it sounds humanized.

Anyone any suggestions on where to start and what effects to use to create such an awesome sound

[Luca_Capozzi]

http://www.jordanrudess.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=663

http://www.jordanrudess.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=512

http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds

[sfx70]

Thanks for the links AxiomBass.
Unfortunately I was unable to get a patch for the Motif.
It's mostly Kurzweil and Korg patches.
Nothing for Yamaha Motif Rack.
I will try to follow some of the instructions that are described, but if anyone got it on the MOTIF please let me know how.

Thanks

[enb141]

I can't read the sherinian one, is well explained as the Jordan Rudess one?