I need a Jens Johansson lead patch

[keyboard hunger]

Hi,


I am gonna join a pure heavy metal band with the influences of Iron Maiden and Motorhead with no proggy or other sort of similar influences.

I will be handling all the guitarish leads and solos on the keyboard as usual using a morley jd10 distortion box.


Can anybody please send me the Jens lead patch for the Korg M1 my email is,

gchirag@yahoo.com


Thanks.

[Spacehog]

Do you not think that if anyone actually *had* the Jens Johansson lead patch for the Korg M1, they would have already given it to you? Keeping posting the same message isn't going to encourage people to help you, it may simply be that noone's got a Korg M1, it may be that the M1 doesn't have the Jens sound, or it may be that people are not giving it you because they want to encourage you to write your own patches and stop sponging of other people... these are only options, I do not know which is the case, but I for one do not have a Korg M1 so can't help you.

Martin

[Mago_Lari]

If you can read "here" there is a lot of people thea is working on their synth to help many other people in the forum and dont even ASK for sort of difficoult programming sounds like Jens patch..we are currently ( and I am..) working to get it and its not so easy..
It would be cool if you can help us trying to fool around in your synth and then post here some sample ( like we do sometimes) instead of just ask without reading the other similar topic that i started before you post this..
So please..
Claudio

[Jerry]

Claudio:

I've got "heavy machinery" and I used to have "fission" are you talking about the types of leads on that. Sound pretty much like a saw wave through some mild overdrive or a small cab emulation. If you tell me a song on heavy machinery that uses this lead, I'll make one up for the Rolands. The time (minutes/seconds) on the track would be helpful too. (Essentially, the difference will be that I would use the Roland internal EFX, which is a little more precise and cold than an analog overdrive pedal.) A saw/pulse wave through a line pod would get you into that territory almost immediately. Jens does use some pitch envelope or manual bends on different notes. That provides some of the character as well.

Best,

Jerry

[mtkettun]

Jerry, get "Holy Solos" from Strato's Visions Of Europe -album. That lead comes from a JV-1080 with all the external effects shit.

Go create that, boy 8) :twisted:

edit: I've actually made some kind of patch with my jv-1010 as well, but I'm too lazy to post any crap, at least at the moment. +the JV's not at home.

[keyboard hunger]

Hello,

Thanks guys for all the info but none of it helped me.


I might rather ask someone who does wanna helo me anyway thanks.

[keyboard hunger]

hello,

Thanks guys for all the information but none of it helped me .

I might rather ask someone else who can help me.

[Kirby]

Program 94 or 95 (monolead) on the M1 could be a good basis for you lead.

[Mago_Lari]

Hey Jerry!! Thnaks for infos!!
I know that Jens Uses a Morley Jd10 dist box and i do Own that one..
I don't actually have fission or heavy machinery but im trying to get it somewhere;
What mtkettune asked its a very very good lead and if you can try to get that one would be cool..maybe have i got to post a sample? OK i wil ldo it in a moment..

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10 Minutes Later..
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Ok..here i am..This is a sample of Vision of Europe Jens Lead:

Jens Lead (http://www.badarilighting.com/HolyJens.mp3)

Let me know OK?

I got a Roland Jv2080 which i think can do the job as the 1080..


Claudio

[mtkettun]

ahhh it sounds so sweet doesn't it :D
Distorted but soft n' smooth at the same time. like a tiny winy bit wah-sounding.

[Mago_Lari]

yeah..its soo sweet..i really dont know how to program so well a dist box!
Im lovin it..

[Justin]

Damn, its a shame you guys use hardware synths, but I suppose its not good for live use even though I do. I use an Emagic ES1 with Amplitube FX software and could post you my patches in a second.
Let me know if anybody wants :

This is what my Jens patch sounds like :

http://www.grostate.plus.com/_Sounds/JensLead.mp3

Bit of a rough riff but the sound is similar to Jens...

[Mago_Lari]

Nice sounds but the jens one its more cleaner, more soft..and does not have that sort of filter sweeps..maybe you have to lower your resonance and add more Cutoff..yeah..should work..
I have done this since i have my karma:

Jens Lead (www.badarilighting.com/sample.mp3)

i think its not so clear like that one jens made, and i do miss also that strange feedback that he got..dunno..maybe Quili can help us..he got some suggestion from jens..

Claudio

[Mago_Lari]

Shit..i have heard a new Jens Lead which is amazing..waht a playing..wowowow
I will post a sample cause its really amazing..he tweak with filters like in Krakatau and it tells me that maybe jens is still using Polysix for his recordings..dunno..
Listen it:

Amazing (http://www.badarilighting.com/amazing.mp3)

This make me shocking really..i am listening it for the 20th time..

Its a sample taken from Barilari last album in which jens play very very very well..
i Suggest you to listen it

By the way..can you hear that sort of sweep he does? im talking about the seconds 21, 24 and 26..can you hear it? maybe he tweak with Filters? if yes..what filters?? dunno really..

Let me know
Claudio

[PsawniK]

From the samples posted, it sounds like there is some resonance at work. Like, when he does the feedback like thing it sounds like he is sweeping the resonance. Also, there is a pick-like attack at the beginning which sounds like a compressor.

[Justin]

[quote="Mago_Lari"]Shit..i have heard a new Jens Lead which is amazing..waht a playing..wowowow

I agree, awesome, its a lovely sound, I think your right, mine sounds more agressive but the cutoff is max'ed out and the resonance it disabled, I think its just the pulse of waveform I'm using and the heavy guitar distortion.

Mago, is all this Jens stuff from Stratovarius ? as I have never checked them out and seeing as Jen's is one of my Primary influences since 1986 I think I'm missing out here...

Thanks for the clips they were great, your sound is very similar to Jen's too. :D

[Mago_Lari]

no..its not from Stratovarius..
They are Taken from "Barilari"
check them oout..they are great!
Claudio

[Justin]

Barilari ?, Never heard of them which is surprising if Jens is in the band.
I'm checking'em out now.....thanks the the info Claudio.

:D

[Mago_Lari]

Yes..its an album in which played a lot of Nightwish Player and featuring also jens Johansson..really impressive playing!

[mtkettun]

From the samples posted, it sounds like there is some resonance at work. Like, when he does the feedback like thing it sounds like he is sweeping the resonance. Also, there is a pick-like attack at the beginning which sounds like a compressor.

Exactly. Also when he lifts the key up, there's a sharp edge. Kinda like a pick sound -but when lifting the key UP. And then that weird feedback, you kinda hear the same note from 3 octaves higher with this smooth edge.... difficult to explain.

[Shreddy]

My attempt at a Jens tone was layering Saw and Pulse wavs with the Roland MFX distortion/chorus (its a COSM amp modeled effect), it still needs lots of work but its a start.

I would post a sample but I have noplace to host it.

Ed

[Mago_Lari]

i can host for you if you want..do you have msn or icq?
msn claudiolari#hotmail.com
icq 285934656
let me know ok?
claudio

[Georges]

My attempt at a Jens tone was layering Saw and Pulse wavs with the Roland MFX distortion/chorus

I guess you people here are looking too far. Jens used a straightforward sucky Roland JV-1080 sawtooth wave lead. Nothing spectacular. The problem is not the base sound, the problem is actually to emulate the external guitar effect that he uses to play the sound. It's the distortion which is going to be difficult to re-create without having that external effects module.

I know this because a few years ago, Jens demonstrated on his website using two examples how the guitar effects creates a sound with a cutting edge compared to its base sound. Unfortunately, at that time, I only downloaded the final version (i.e. the cutting edge lead and not the sawtooth lead) and the corresponding score. If anyone's interested in the sound example, tell me because I think that Jens deleted the sound examples from his website.

Pulse wave may be a wrong approach because it will give the sound a nasal component, Jens's sound however is quite full and sharp. 2 very very very slightly detuned sawtooths should have enough overtones to create the sharp Jens base sound, then add the mysterious guitar effects and voilà. I think efforts should go into the effects direction or at least the programming/emulation of the distortion itself. A gate reverb plus amp distortion (Enigma is the specialist in this field; there's also a good tutorial on the Sonikmatter page though :wink:) should come close. Nonetheless, so far I have not tried it out yet, but I will ...

For the trill that Jens plays, you need either a ribbon controlling pitch, or fast fingers.

[Mago_Lari]

Yeah..maybe your are right but with a saw wave i cannot reach the lead sound i made and its the closer i made to the original..

IF YOU SEND ME PLEASE THAT FILE YOU HAVE GOT you ll make me happy..i waas lloking for a file that jens posted on his page but i havent find yet..so please..

I have the Original Dist Box Jens uses ( morley jd 10 ) and i have also the jv2080..but still cannote reach that lead..
Dunno why..
Maybe if you can help me maybe i will get something close..

Synthguy helped me and he told that i was near but i got to lower the output of the distortion effect cause its too loud..i thank him for all the help he gaves me..

Hope in a Georges answer..

Claudio

[Tusker]

My attempt at a Jens tone was layering Saw and Pulse wavs with the Roland MFX distortion/chorus
I know this because a few years ago, Jens demonstrated on his website using two examples how the guitar effects creates a sound with a cutting edge compared to its base sound. Unfortunately, at that time, I only downloaded the final version (i.e. the cutting edge lead and not the sawtooth lead) and the corresponding score. If anyone's interested in the sound example, tell me because I think that Jens deleted the sound examples from his website.


Georges:

I'm interested. It will be helpful to have multiple examples of the lead sounds. Sometimes a keyboardist develops slightly different versions of a lead....

Jerry

[albertors]

ProgSounds now hosts a Johansson dedicated thread for discussing his sound and his technique.

http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds/board/viewtopic.php?p=537#537

It's part of the http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds/images/brandicon_guitarleads.jpg Lead Guitar Emulations thread.

Alberto

[Mago_Lari]

Yeah..nice idea Alberto!
I have posted my first message in your forum with your new Section!

I made a short brief of How i see Jens and what i learned of his sounds.

Claudio

[Georges]

I'm interested. It will be helpful to have multiple examples of the lead sounds. Sometimes a keyboardist develops slightly different versions of a lead....Jerry

Ok, give me a few days to post it on my website on an area only accessible through this post. I'll post the final MP3 and the GIF with the score. I do not own the pre-distortion MP3 unfortunately, anyone ?

[Mago_Lari]

ok..really thank you
I have made some interesting experiments and i think that it has an Filter envelope that give sometime that feedback effect..the envelope is followe by a Lfo clocked to the same time of the envelope, so the feedback will appear more times..
The problem for me is to Equalize it i guess..because i made all the programming he did but i cannot recognize it..its sonically different..tomorrow i will post all the try i made..i got 5 or 6 Leads..

Claudio

[Mago_Lari]

I got a new clip in which you can hear very well the Studio Jens Johansson's Lead..
It has a very strong Filter ( maybe a low Cutoff with a lot of Resonance..) Envelope that gives that effect..
Hope you can do something with it, cause i m still trying to get that Resonance sounding.

Sample 3 (http://www.badarilighting.com/jens3.mp3)

Claudio

[Georges]

http://members.tripod.com/~LancesDreamLand/jens/jens.html

I'm in the busy season, what a hell of a work, anyways, see here above for the promised file. Enjoy!

[albertors]

Thank you G. very kind from you,
Alberto

[Mago_Lari]

Wow..we miss the other file..the one without distortion!
By the way thank you, i missed this..what a playing..

Claudio

[Georges]

Wow..we miss the other file..the one without distortion!

Well noticed, that's what I said, didn't I ?

[Mago_Lari]

yeah..it was just to remember..

[lord]

I will be talking about his lead he uses o albums with Stratovarius. I own SY-77 and I continously explore his potential. All good lead on this synth are made using FM synthesis. I have about 15000 of patches and once is called DIST LEAD. His nature and character is almost same as Jens"s. It had a little click on the beggining of tone, so I removed it well using editing envelopes. The character of Jens sound is caused by onboard effect Distortion. If you bypass effects, the sound is definitely other, it is thin and useless. But in higher notes using modulation wheel is heard some distortion of tones. I think its caused by on board effect, that its not real guitar distortion effect as jens use or simply Jens uses this sound from Rolad JV-1080 module, which has different sounds and synthesis technique.
However, I play Rudess parts as well and edited on my SY-77 patch called Mr.Square, so I edited envelopes, there are no attack hold parts and remove some reverb. But sound is too thin. Has anyone some patch or idea to create similar on SY-77. I know its old fashioned synthetiser, but it has great features and editing capabilities. Thanks Lord.

[Shreddy]

I got a new clip in which you can hear very well the Studio Jens Johansson's Lead..
It has a very strong Filter ( maybe a low Cutoff with a lot of Resonance..) Envelope that gives that effect..
Hope you can do something with it, cause i m still trying to get that Resonance sounding.

Sample 3 (http://www.badarilighting.com/jens3.mp3)

Claudio

Mago

What song / band is that? The only Jens that I have with female vocals is Mastermind and thats not it.

ed

[Mago_Lari]

it's taken from Barilari...third track

Any news on this sound??

Claudio

[Georges]

I think its caused by on board effect, that its not real guitar distortion effect as jens use or simply Jens uses this sound from Rolad JV-1080 module, which has different sounds and synthesis technique.

You may believe it or not, Jens used a Roland JV-1080 module with an external distortion effect. Effects do not have anything to do with the synthesis algorithms. However, if you can get the sound on your SY without any problems, good for you. Don't forget to share an MP3 here with us.

[lord]

I know that effects do not have anything to do with the synthesis algorithms. I meant that the reason of badness of my patch is either in outdated on-board distortion effect in my SY or the waveform used differs from that used in JV-1080 or both of them. I will send you MP3 of keyboard solo from Black Diamond with my patch(soon).

[Mago_Lari]

cool!!
What board do you use lord??

[lord]

Sorry, I am not English native speaker, so some phrases I am using do not mean what I want to say. By on-board I meant built-in effect units inside SY(are you understand??), that means no external effect. In context of Johansson lead its called Distortion.

[Mago_Lari]

Yeah..i have understood what you were talking about..vut i asked you what KEYboard you are using..not what effect board..
Claudio

[lord]

I use YAMAHA SY-77 synth.

[Mago_Lari]

I take out myself from discussion.
Claudio