OMG! One word.....AMAZING!

[Over The Edge]

The setup is kinda long,


but,



...this amounts to possibly the coolest vid I've seen
in a very long time. Enjoy.


http://www.hawtalta.com/viewvideo.php?id=343





FL
www.franklucas.net

[Grey Loki]

Wow - that's scary.

[ffox]

it looks like fake to me. It looks so acted. I thought it was fake from the moment teh victim's friends co-operated without even asking questions.

Nonetheless, the video is very cool.

[LDGuy]

Derren Brown is a legend here in the UK. I reckon he wouldn't have had it acted. I would hope he's not that sorta bloke.

I watched this on telly when it was on. I was amazed when i saw it. I've never seen anything like it.

Its a shame they missed out the best bit where they take him round and show him all the sets and stuff, and watch him slowly realise what's happened. Brown is an amazing guy.

[mesavox]

Yeah. It's like if Bob Sacket asked for your video camera back in the 90s. You'd have a good idea what was up.

If that is real, it's got to be one of the craziest things I've ever seen. lol Pretty wild.

Did they go on to tell him what happened?

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Frank must have recently retired, as I see that he has lots of free time to post all these crazy links from his rocking chair. ;)

[Lurion]

That was AWESOME!!! I'm a hardcore gamer and id DIE to have the chance to experience something as real! Dunno if the show was a fake, but if it wasn't then I take my hat off. Domn right amazing.

[Phred]

My bet is fake.
Friends didn't flip when he like passes out into the game.
Friends didn't panic when this guy straps him to a gurney to drag him away.
The way he reacted at the end...
I imagine the legal issues of hypnotizing a guy without his consent would be an issue.

[Limited]

My bet is fake.
Friends didn't flip when he like passes out into the game.
Friends didn't panic when this guy straps him to a gurney to drag him away.
The way he reacted at the end...
I imagine the legal issues of hypnotizing a guy without his consent would be an issue.

also my thoughts...

very interesting however

[mesavox]

My bet is fake.
Friends didn't flip when he like passes out into the game.

Why would they? They probably thought he was faking... People do that sort of goofy stuff all the time.


Friends didn't panic when this guy straps him to a gurney to drag him away.

Like I said, I'm sure they recognized the host of the show. He's pretty famous over there you know.


The way he reacted at the end...

That's pretty much a textbook reaction of hypnotism.


I imagine the legal issues of hypnotizing a guy without his consent would be an issue.

I'm not sure what the legalities are in the US much less England.

[Phred]

Maybe you are different, but if I was hanging with a friend and he passed out against the monitorof a game, I would do a little more than just stand there...

Also, any clue why his friends weren't hypnotised?They were looking at the same screen as he was...

In the video, the host guy said it would work on 1/3 of the people (that might explain my last question :D - not really, cause then they would have got pretty ucky that it was the guy playing it.) but it doesn't answer why they were able to hypnotise the first person they tried...

Also the guy shot the dead zombie girl a few times on the ground. When he shot her she twitched like she was shot. She was slumped over and would have no idea that she was being shot at... Maybe someone told her? That possible...

[QUOTE=mesavox]
That's pretty much a textbook reaction of hypnotism.
QUOTE]

The reaction I was refering to was the guy looking non chalantly over at his friends going "That was briliant.. Bang Bang.." Or whatever. I would find it easier to believe:
A deep concerned look. Meaning that the guy was concerned at the trick that his brain played on him.
A super freak out. Maybe pointing his gun at his friend. At least a startle - similar to when he was brought inside the game...

The reaction that he did have indicates that the guy truly believed that the game that he played transported him inside it (or made him feel like he was transported inside it).

[Phred]

Just watched again...

When the Zombies are after him at the start, he runs back and tries the door... He has a gun in his hand and he actually pounds on the glass window of the door. He warns these zombies that he is going to shoot them (indicating that he is nervous about taking a life) and shoots them before he considers shooting out the glass window.

When the host walks up to him he shot him twice to no avail and stood there letting him grab him. I would have hit the f*cker with my gun.

If it's real, it's pretty cool. Fake, it's cool too in a different way. I think that I would have reactedsimilar to his first reaction of running away.. I don't think I would have let a locked door stop me though...

I would not have reacted like his friends. I would have questioned everything...


P.S - My friends and I went to one of those mass hypnoise shows and wanted to get hypnotised. It didn't work on me, but it did on one of my buddies. The point is we had to have a pretty complicated waiver signed first. That may not have been law, potentially it was for insurance purposes.. That was in Canada too...

[LDGuy]

Maybe you are different, but if I was hanging with a friend and he passed out against the monitorof a game, I would do a little more than just stand there...

Yeah, I dont think i would stand there, but if Derren Brown came out of a private room and took over the situation i think i'd let him do his business, everyone knows who he is in thie country.


Also, any clue why his friends weren't hypnotised?They were looking at the same screen as he was...

I think this is partly to do with the actual experience of playing the game. You have a very different feeling when your watching a video-game than playing. When your playing, your body is more hyped with adreneline, and your tend to be a bit more tense. The came could have exploited this in some way. Plus, you can't hypnotise someone purely with strobe light flashes - we'd have people collapsing all over the place in nightclubs. It must be the combination of the flashes and being in gameplay, and therefore any onlookers wont be affected.


In the video, the host guy said it would work on 1/3 of the people (that might explain my last question :D - not really, cause then they would have got pretty ucky that it was the guy playing it.) but it doesn't answer why they were able to hypnotise the first person they tried...

They do edit these sort of programmes, you know.


Also the guy shot the dead zombie girl a few times on the ground. When he shot her she twitched like she was shot. She was slumped over and would have no idea that she was being shot at... Maybe someone told her? That possible...

Could she not hear she was being shot at? If your a good enough actor, you dont need to be able to see to know that someone is shooting at you (assuming that there's not anyone else around they could be shooting at, which in this case there wasn't).

I reckon this is real. I'd be pretty disappointed if it wasn't, and I'd lose my faith in Derren Brown who i respect a lot as a showman. But i think with enough co-ordination and expertise this could be pulled off, and i think they have, here.

[Enigma™]

Not that I completely understand hypnosis, etc.. but I DO understand subliminal messages and flashing light patterns.

The idea of the game was to begin getting someone immersed. The flashing light patterns would have subliminal messages as well that would be noticed at 1/16th or even 1/24th of a second but only by the unconsious part of the brain. When you're busy looking for zombies, it's easy to not notice the flashing lights with images/words in them.

The second thing is that the flashing light patterns were also coupled with LFO sounds - the sleeping brain works at about 4hz or cycles per second. The active brain is between 7 and 9.
When they were playing the game, listen for the lower noise... Almost a pulsing even. It's probably hard to hear in the video but the sound is JUST as important as the flashing lights.
The other people, although were watching, we also talking to each other, and not watching the screen 100% of the time.

And they were all drinking. When you're drinking, you're more open to being hypnotized than not. Which is why I suspect they put this in a pub, instead of an arcade. *Along with other reasons*

With reference to the people hanging with the "lead" person - they were also drinking. We don't know how drunk they were at the time, but I know when I've been drinking, when something happens to my buds, I tend to think it's HALARIOUS. Also, further into the movie, they seem pretty stunned about... pretty much everything. I think that was somewhat characteristic of them throughout the vid.

The other thing about the lights flashing and the subliminal images is that the person running the show knew the key word that would have had to have been planted to the recipient. There's a key word that makes them fall "asleep"

On top of this however, there's fundimental programming that would come in the flashing light patterns as well before finally completing the trance state. Things like "Don't use physical force" or "Only use the gun", things like that could be planted in the flashing light patterns before finalizing the hypnosis. I'm positive that another one would be a flashed picture of the lead guy with words around it saying: I'm not farmiliar to you.

Also notice that the person that was tranced was also looking for an exit, and found a locked door. Turned around with the gun behind him, and then started seeing the zombies and didn't know what they were exactly. I bet he'd feel pretty confused as the last thing he remembers is that he was playing a game.

Finally, when shooting the zombies, that seemed to have a temporary effect where they fell down, backwards, etc.. So the panic-reinforcement would say that if a "gun" *although it's paintballs, he thinks it's real* isn't hurting them, what good is punching/kicking/swinging a gun going to do.

Anyway, Knowing what I know about hypnosis, etc.. - I can quite imagine this being real. If it is or not... I dunno, but I can DEFINITELY see how it was/is.

Just my 2c