Roland xp 30 progressive lead help

[DreamScape]

I have the Roland xp-30 keyboard, but i can´t get any cool "progressive lead" sound :( Can anyone help me editing one ? what should i do?

Thank you :)

[Shreddy]

I'm sure there are some FAQs here about lead tones Jordan / Jens etc..

Do you have the Soaring Saws preset its a pretty good sounding lead stock if you tweak it abit you can add a bit of your own flavor to it.


What distortions do you have on your board?

Try messing around with this, layer a saw and pulse waveform and add distortion. Thats as basic of a description as your going to get but if you work with those 2 waves you will start to hear what I'm getting at. When you add the distortion and chorus you will hear it develope further.

Ed
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[maJ estY]

Soaring Saws isn't on the XP-30, but there's a patch called "Progressive Lead" or something like that - it sounds bad though :)

I also couldn't manage to create a Jordan like sound with my XP-30, but I don't want that anymore anyway, because a progressive keyboardist also needs to create own sounds! - Take a presets which sounds good in your ears and play with it - you can get really good results with a XP-30, but you can't create Jordan like sounds...

[Shreddy]

In regards to a Jordan type lead, you more than likely would have to create it as a Performance vs a Patch. That way you can layer more than enough waveforms (60).

That is correct that your going to want your own lead tones. It takes time to get a good tone as well. I've spent lots of time working on creating my lead and it was well worth it. Try using a software editor it may assist you in your quest to build a better lead.

If you can find one at a good price I highly suggest getting the Vintage Synth card, it has a number of leads on it and best of all you get lots of vintage waveforms as well. Plenty to work with there.

The only thing you may want to look into is possibly adding an external effects processor.

Ed

[Tusker]

I’ve shared some proggish leads with the community.

To get them, sign into Yahoo briefcase (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/) with the id: rimskyrimsky and password 11231123. Then find the patches folder and download the .syx files. Enjoy (and don't forget to use the mod lever for fun).

They are more Sherinian than Rudess. Just be careful with them. They have been known to cause guitarists to turn suddenly shy. 8)

You don't need the expansion boards for these.

Jerry

[Cary]

Thank you Tusker, I've had these leads for a while and had forgotten where they came from.

[Scrap]

Hey Jerry, I'd like to host your Roland patches on the ProgSounds (http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds) community forum. If you're interested in that, it would be useful if you could write up short descriptions of each sound in plain text and send them over to me.

Or, if you'd like to take a more active role, I can make you a moderator and the primary Roland programmer/submitter. :)

Let me know what you think.

[merijn]

Holy (S)crap!

[maJ estY]

Jerry for Roland Prog Sounds Leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[DreamScape]

Hey, thanks fot the tips. But... i kinda new in this things, Tusker, thanks for your sharing, but how can i use and play those leads (.syx)? What program should i use?


Thanks and happy new year everybody! :roll:

[Tusker]

I'd love to contribute. My only concern about being active is that people may expect an identical sound to what they have heard on a prog album.

I don't have the time to do all that, and I don't have all the albums either.

Scrap, I'll send you a text file to support that sysex file. And if anyone wants a specific lead, I might get close. I don't promise to do a 100% emulation because it's just not worth it. One of my leads plays a little like jordans lead for example, but doesn't have the piano-thump attack on the bottom. And the voicing is a little different. It's just not worth revoicing it to sound identical.

There are certain sounds the Rolands do well. It's sometimes better to tweak a patch sound like a good Roland, rather than make it sound like a bad Kurzweil. Each synth has it's own personality, just like people.

If you are ok with that, I'd love to contribute.

Cheers,

Jerry

[synthguy]

Jerry, we would love to have you. I'd like to see you do some article-type posts like I'm trying to do in my synth anatomy one. They're about as valuable as patches. Altho I'm sure everyone is all about the patches. ;)

Oh, and everyone take Jerry's words to heart. You can get really close to what some synth sounds like if you have anything from an XP-30 to a Triton or Fantom, but part of a joy of having a synth is exploring what makes your instrument unique. Each one has slightly different filters and effects, as well as different samples in their roms or VA parameters, and those differences can give you some rewarding sounds that will be all your own. And everyone should be looking for some patch or characteristic sound that makes them different from the other keyboardists.

Ugh, sick today. I may be reduced to playing Phantasy Star and rolling around in bed. Can't think straight. Yucky cold. :cry:

[albertors]

Jerry, you just pronounced the right words to open the secret entrance: welcome aboard captain,

Alberto

[Tusker]

Hey, thanks fot the tips. But... i kinda new in this things, Tusker, thanks for your sharing, but how can i use and play those leads (.syx)?

If you have a PC with midi cables attached to your synth, download Changeit, open the SYX file from within Changeit, and hit "send to synth" button.

Changeit is here:

http://aragon.iitb.fhg.de/moss/Software/ChangeIt.html

That progsounds location rocks. My compliments to all. Does anybody have a list of "specific" prog sounds that are desired? (Wakeman pulse lead, Rudess Lead, Rush filter sweep, Emerson trumpet lead etc.) Or are there more general categories people have defined (trumpet saw, distorted saw with wah, sweet square wave lead, mellow lead with bell/plucked attack, etc.)? Would it be helpful to have some general categories?

Jerry

[albertors]

As far as I remember, whatever you come up with is really welcome and (according to statistic) downloaded with appetite ;)

There is a requests forum too but those leads you listed won't pass by unnoticed for sure.

Thank you,
Alberto

[Scrap]

That progsounds location rocks. My compliments to all. Does anybody have a list of "specific" prog sounds that are desired? (Wakeman pulse lead, Rudess Lead, Rush filter sweep, Emerson trumpet lead etc.) Or are there more general categories people have defined (trumpet saw, distorted saw with wah, sweet square wave lead, mellow lead with bell/plucked attack, etc.)? Would it be helpful to have some general categories?

Jerry

Basically, anything that you can come up with, I.E. 'generalized' sounds which fit within a progressive style are welcome. If you wish to come up with specific sounds, feel free to do so, of course. :)

[Jerry]

Jerry, you just pronounced the right words to open the secret entrance: welcome aboard captain,

Alberto

Alberto, thanks.

I dunno how I missed that first post of yours. :oops:

I love what you all are doing with the site. I'd love to play a role. It's funny how after 8+ years of programming and reading every programming book I can, I still barely know what I'm doing with these things. It's a great resource you have there. It's the kind of thing that will turn more pianists (and organists) into synthesists.

Cheers,

Jerry

[maJ estY]

Thumbs up, Jerry - maybe even >I< can sound good with my XP-30 then :D

[albertors]

You're welcome Jerry, have a lot of fun over there ;)

[Jerry]

So, what sounds do people want, mostly?

Strong leads with guitar-like controls? (current prog and prog-metal)

Brassy or orchestral sounding leads with big fat warmness? (vintage prog)

Funky sounds that are unusual (future prog)

Jerry

[maJ estY]

Just everything which sounds good and different to the presets :twisted:

[DreamScape]

Hey, ChanceIt! is very cool. But i was dumb enought ti use the program before making a backup os my patches... so i had to reset all to "factory default" :( lol

But anyway, i can send the patches to my xp-30, but i can´t choose the bank in wich those patches are saved :( it is automatic ?! i´ve searched in the whole program and "manual" but i can seem to find it... can anyone help me?


Cheers

[Jerry]

It all goes in the user bank. The other banks are limited to factory.

Jerry

[DreamScape]

It all goes in the user bank. The other banks are limited to factory.

Jerry


Not in here :( For exemple, i open a chancheit! file, and the file is loaded in the orchestration bank, in patch 32. All the changeit! patches seem to load in the orchestration bank


How can i load them only in the user bank?!


Thanks

[Jerry]

Not in here :( For exemple, i open a chancheit! file, and the file is loaded in the orchestration bank, in patch 32. All the changeit! patches seem to load in the orchestration bank


How can i load them only in the user bank?!


You might have had orchestral bank patch 32 opened when you opened change it. It doesn't save there, it just sends a single patch into whatever buffer memory the roland has open. The single patch that is sent to the buffer doesn't actually write to memory, if you change the patch (using the alpha dial on the roland) and come back to it, you will see that it was temporary (i.e. in the buffer). That's just for auditioning purposes.

However if you hit the send button, the patches that are sent will end up in the user bank. (up to 127 of them). This is permanent, so do back up your data first.

Cheers,

Jerry