Jordon's new tour set up?

[Mr Hyde66]

Anybody know what Jordon will use on the tour this summer?

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Jordan will use:

Korg OASYS 88 key
Haaken Continuum FingerBoard, which will be controlled by a,
Roland V-Synth

[keys76]

+ there will be something else...very special.


Jeroen

[BlobVanDam]

+ there will be something else...very special.


Jeroen

Is it a Casiotone MT100?

[St0rMl0rD]

omg omg m00g :D

[Bert]

Actually, the continuum controls the V-Synth rack, but I guess I'm probably splitting hairs.

-- B

[StandBuilder]

+ there will be something else...very special.

Jeroen



?????????????????????????????????

What will that be?????

I dunno... Is Bert Baldwin THAT special????

Stainlessly,

PS

[Rosie]

Bert is awesome. I say this, because I know.

[Rexx]

Korg OASYS 88 key w/Music Pad Pro
Haken Audio Continuum FingerBoard, which controls a
Roland V-Synth


Possibly a new rotating stand?

[rlainhart]

Korg OASYS 88 key w/Music Pad Pro
Haken Audio Continuum FingerBoard, which controls a
Roland V-Synth

Possibly a new rotating stand?

Stands aside, there will also be a special new instrument for the summer tour, and TWO special new instruments for the fall tour.

[Stimpus]

although i was upset that he isn't using kurz anymore, i'm looking forwar dot the oasys!

Only one question..........how the hell will jordan play without a ribbon controller, or is there one on the oasys? I mean Jordan uses it alot in his music, none of his solo's will ever be the same......

[Rosie]

Just one thing, I was wondering if it would be possible to get another controller with a ribbon and use it to control the tones on the Oasys with it?

[King_Ellesar]

there is a smaller ribbon under the joystick on the oasys. rosie, jordan could use a ribbon controller for those pitch bends, but honestly, i dont think he needs to use a full size one for that, because the smaller ribbon built onto the board works just as good in my opinion. and, like ive said before, he used an expression pedal at keyfest with the triton extreme to do those large pitch drops... i'm sure not having the full size ribbon controller from the kurz isnt gonna be much of a problem.

i wonder if the other thing he's gonna have live is the modular....:)

[keys76]

Stands aside, there will also be a special new instrument for the summer tour, and TWO special new instruments for the fall tour.

And for sure the new instrument on the summer tour will surprise a lot of people!!!

Jeroen

[Farren]

Seems like a good time to ask a question I've been wondering... External ribbon controllers? I've only seen one, made by Kurz. I don't think they make it anymore but it's basically just the long ribbon from the K2*00. Would this thing work only on Kurz keyboards? If not, where would it plug into another keyboard, or even a MIDI controller? I haven't seen any MIDI controllers with ribbons :/

[rlainhart]

And for sure the new instrument on the summer tour will surprise a lot of people!!!

Jeroen

Right - Jordan has never played either live before, or recorded with either before Octavarium.

[Luca_Capozzi]

a bigger, longer and uncut Modular for our drooling? :D

Luca

[Blazinarps]

A guitar, although I think he has played it live once on his birthday or something? I am betting it will be a guitar, although John P. said he would "have none of that gay Winger shit".

[TritonuS]

Damn you, I was just about to say the same. A guitar.

[Nolan]

well,


uh,



warm :wink:



C.

[Ael]

Haha, what if jordan came on stage with a keytar

[maJ estY]

Yeah, a keytar!!! :twisted: LOL

Now you made me excited, too...

[dannycolfax]

does anyone know about the swiveling keyboard stand :)

[stealth]

Seems like a good time to ask a question I've been wondering... External ribbon controllers? I've only seen one, made by Kurz. I don't think they make it anymore but it's basically just the long ribbon from the K2*00. Would this thing work only on Kurz keyboards? If not, where would it plug into another keyboard, or even a MIDI controller? I haven't seen any MIDI controllers with ribbons :/

Yup, it's called the Expressionmate and it's super cool. It's a midi controller so it will work with anything (and has a control box that handles built in zones, arpeggiators, etc). When I was playing in a band that covered DT every now and then, our keyboard player had one that he used with his DW-8000. It's actually got a lot of extra features on it (like an input for a breath controller, for example). When I heard that Jordan was switching to Korg, I assumed he would probably use one of these for the ribbon stuff..

[calmar]

Do you know wich model of ribbon controller i can buy? Can I use a kurz ribbon controller with any other keyboard?
thanks!
Dave

[Mother.Mosquito]

Hrrrmm. The first new instrument I would guess is the modular (Jordan actually stated to be going to use it on tour at the moog jam). But the second one!?
A Hammond B3 would be a veeery nice idea! ;-)

[stealth]

A Hammond B3 would be a veeery nice idea! ;-)

I second that.. having the B3 live with Dream Theater is the thing I miss most from the FII days..

calmar, Kurzweil doesn't make the expressionmate anymore, so you have to find a used one.. and yes, it will work with any midi keyboard..

[calmar]

Kurzweil doesn't make the expressionmate anymore
Thanks, but there is no other models or makes of large ribbon controller like this?

[Kirby]

Thanks, but there is no other models or makes of large ribbon controller like this?

http://www.doepfer.de/R2M.htm
I'm getting one of these soon for my modular system.

[lighthouse]

guys don´t you think that a ribbon is completely senseless with the Continnum on stage?


Juan Pablo

[Scrap]

Folks, folks. A ribbon is a ribbon is a ribbon. It doesn't matter what freaking size it is, because it's PROGRAMMABLE. That being said, both the Triton and Oasys have small ribbon controllers right under the joystick. Secondly, if he does use an expression pedal (as during Keyfest), smaller ribbon, or knob for the divebombs, it doesn't freaking matter what it is, because MIDI is MIDI. It's 0-127. It's digital. It doesn't inflict timbre changes like Petrucci switching guitars or using lighter or heavier picks or even completely changing his picking technique, for that matter.

And the day that Jordan straps on a keytar with DT is the day that I laugh my ass off. :)

[Farren]

Deep down, Jordan is a Mistheria wanna-be.

[Rexx]

Good point Lighthouse. :D

Blazinarps,
Actually MP was the one who said no to Jordan playing some guitar in DT with the Winger referrence and no ghey comment was included.
Winger, a very good band in my opinion and for the record JR is good friends and recorded with both Rod and Kip so some respect would be in order.

Personally I think it would absolutely rock to have Jordan play some guitar synth in DT or even add vocals. :)

What about Moogs? Maybe there'll be Moogs included on tour or a Vocoder?

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Actually, the continuum controls the V-Synth rack, but I guess I'm probably splitting hairs.

-- B

Yeah, posting late at night, sometimes my posts aren't as clear as they should be. I meant that the Continuum would be controlled by the sounds of the V-Synth - JR plays the Continuum, the V-Synth contains the patches. :)

[stealth]

Folks, folks. A ribbon is a ribbon is a ribbon. It doesn't matter what freaking size it is, because it's PROGRAMMABLE. That being said, both the Triton and Oasys have small ribbon controllers right under the joystick. Secondly, if he does use an expression pedal (as during Keyfest), smaller ribbon, or knob for the divebombs, it doesn't freaking matter what it is, because MIDI is MIDI. It's 0-127. It's digital. It doesn't inflict timbre changes like Petrucci switching guitars or using lighter or heavier picks or even completely changing his picking technique, for that matter.

And the day that Jordan straps on a keytar with DT is the day that I laugh my ass off. :)

That's true to a point, but only if the ribbon is being used for something that doesnt require you to move to a specific pitch.. having a larger ribbon above the keys allows you to use it to play up to specific notes because the ribbon is matched to the keys below it. Now, as far as how that applys to Jordan's setup, I couldn't tell you for sure.. but I do recall him using the larger ribbon for glide bends on LSFNY, which you couldn't do with the 4 incher..

and I think DT with a Keytar would look badass =D

[Blazinarps]

Actually, if you want to get technical, they said no to Derek, and I didn't mean any disrespect. (I haven't even heard any of Winger's music.)

[Rudess]

The difference between Kurz's ribbon and the Korg is the implementation.
There is not much that I programmed on the ribbon with DT that I can't do on the Korg one way or another-foot pedals- joysticks etc etc...
There is quite a lot that the Ribbon on the Kurz WOULD do that is not possible on the korg- like triggering midi notes- setting absolute or relative values for the ribbon position- deciding the spring back position etc....
All instruments are different. There is so much power in the Oasys and BB and I are learning all kindsa ways to make the magic happen.
Stay tuned- get ready to ROCK!@

JR

[Zorbas]

I think it's good that not everything is the same. This will probably mean a new way to implement the sounds which leads to variation in DT's music.

Not a bad thing in my book.

And JR, you should definitely try out a keytar for those JR/JP shred duels you guys do. That would be so much fun to watch...

[Nolan]

Jordan sold his keytar in his previous Ebay sale...........


It would have been cool to see him duel with John P. this way



Coen

[TritonuS]

well,

uh,

warm :wink:


The lapsteel!!

[pmarafio]

One comment on the Korg in live settings - it's super HOT!! It cuts through, which is good and also bad. I've had club soundmen on my gigs (more than one) express hatred about the Triton because it is so difficult to control, particularly in lead situations.

When I saw Rudess Morganstein the other night, the difference between the Korg and the Kurzweil was striking. Jordan's work on the Triton was difficult to hear because the instrument lacked clarity and detail. At times, it was impossible to hear the individual parts of his performance. On the other hand, his work on the Kurzweil was clear as a bell and I could pick out every part easily. It's a shame because I was really excited about hearing the new stuff live.

Jordan's performance was great, despite the Triton's mix!

[Deceit]

Clarity?!? Detail?!? If the mix guys aren't skilled enough, it's their fault. I don't believe it's Korg's fault, at all. And, Triton filters are way newer and better than K2600s. I can't wait to see Jordan playing on an OASYS. Even a Triton Extreme will do. Still, Korg rules. Not to say that the big Kurzie is less than awesome. It IS a great board, but it's becoming old. Which songs have they performed anyway?
Deceit.

[Enigma™]

Clarity?!? Detail?!? If the mix guys aren't skilled enough, it's their fault. I don't believe it's Korg's fault, at all. And, Triton filters are way newer and better than K2600s. I can't wait to see Jordan playing on an OASYS. Even a Triton Extreme will do. Still, Korg rules. Not to say that the big Kurzie is less than awesome. It IS a great board, but it's becoming old. Which songs have they performed anyway?
Deceit.

Don't want to sound like an ass but do you have ANY clue what you're talking about?

Korg's outs actually ARE super hot and we had this problem last night - Korg's outs have a tendancy to clip a lot easier, and have a crazy master eq issue *Bass and treble are like +4 on just about every sound for that "pop" feel*

Kurzweil's outs are balanced, and seem to be meant more for the studio but they're more passive and are able to be mixed *IMHO* more fluidly. I know this from personal experience from not just mixing, but from owning both a Korg Triton and a Kurzweil 2500.

And if you want to get into how "dated" an instrument is, let's talk about Moog. Let's talk about Wurlitzer, Hammond... Name ANY vintage synth... They're all dated. And you know what, they're all still being used.

Age has nothing to do with it, but practical experience does...

Again, I don't want to sound like an ass, but to make a point I think some other people need to stop talking out of theirs :D

[pmarafio]

Interesting comment on the Korg "pop" EQ. Perhaps the answer is to start revisiting the EQ settings on my patches. One thing that has started to help me in live situations has been the use of limiters on the master effects, particularly on lead patches.

BTW, the irving Plaza sound guys are pretty experienced - that wasn't the problem. The sound mix on the Kurz stuff was excellent, as was the entire Porcupine Tree set.

[Rexx]

Mang, after reading this page in the thread I'm certain I'll never purchase a Korg again. I'm all about clean tone and clarity.
Note I said purchase, if someone gave me a Triton/Oasys...;)


Blazinarps,
You're correct that DT said no to DS on the keyboard/guitarist role. They said no to JR as well.

[Blazinarps]

Mang, after reading this page in the thread I'm certain I'll never purchase a Korg again. I'm all about clean tone and clarity.
Note I said purchase, if someone gave me a Triton/Oasys...;)


Blazinarps,
You're correct that DT said no to DS on the keyboard/guitarist role. They said no to JR as well.

Hmm, I wasn't aware that JR was an accomplished enough guitarist to want to play live with JP. Interesting.

[rlainhart]

Hmm, I wasn't aware that JR was an accomplished enough guitarist to want to play live with JP. Interesting.

I was reluctant to do this, because I'm afraid I'm going to get killed with bandwidth costs, but it seems appropriate. So, for a very limited time only, here's a link to a QuickTime movie of Jordan playing guitar, with Bert on keys, that we shot a few weeks ago for an upcoming Muse Receptor product video. Bert's playing Atmosphere running on the Receptor, while Jordan's guitar is also being processed by NI GuitarRig in the Receptor. I'm going to remove the link and the video in a couple of hours, so get it while you can.

[Rexx]

Hey that was pretty special, thanks Richard!

It seems JR has a tendancy to bend alittle sharp but this is quickly over come the more you play. Good guitar playing overall.

And that scenic view with the big windows! Nice. 8)

[Farren]

It seems JR has a tendancy to bend alittle sharp but this is quickly over come the more you play.

I agree, it was kinda cacophonous for Jordan. :P Sometimes it's nice to see that.

[Rexx]

I agree, it was kinda cacophonous for Jordan. :P Sometimes it's nice to see that.


Hmmm? I agree these clips from time to time are a real treat and rare I might add. ;)

Cacophonous;
Having a harsh, unpleasant sound; discordant.

I disagree. The tone isn't that bad.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Cool, thanks for hosting that. JR's certainly not JP yet, and his pitch is off in a number of sections, but in general it's pretty cool, nice note selection and everything. I think Bert's going to look awesome with long hair. ;)

[Spock's Theater]

The guitar technique seems interesting, lots of legato with the left hand, which is not suprising given that he's a great keyboardist.

EDIT: I see a Titleist cap. Do you play golf Bert? :D

[ImaX]

Great Song, very relaxing. Of course the playing is great, I didn't expect anything else. I love this keyboard sound, it's very smooth and quiet, but it gives a lot of atmosphere to the song wile staying in the background.

I'd love to do such a jam session, experimenting with the newest equipment and pieces of gear - seems to be a lot of fun while working.

[Deceit]

<long post with good arguments>
Well, I was talking on my experience, from owning both a K2000 and a Korg Triton Le myself. Ok, it sounds rather pathetic, I have no K2600XS and Korg Triton Extreme 88 to show off, but still the brands are the same we're referring at. And when I had to play live - certainly NOT at JR or your levels - technicians always found it easier to mix my Triton Le than my K2000, as the second board always happened to clip a little more. But again, I may be mistaken. It's just what I think about boards I know, I own and I love the same.
Deceit.

[Farren]

Hmmm? I agree these clips from time to time are a real treat and rare I might add. ;)

Cacophonous;
Having a harsh, unpleasant sound; discordant.

I disagree. The tone isn't that bad.

Yeah, I know. Saying 'kind of cacophonous' is sort of like saying something is 'mildly horrible' or 'somewhat wonderful'. It was a joke as it really wasn't that bad :P

[Scrap]

I was actually concerned more about all that pick noise and lack of vibrato on bends... something that JR actively emphasized at Keyfest, than the sharp bends. ;)

Tone could use some work, too. Seems awfully dry.

And is it just me, or is the guitar slightly out of tune?

[Rexx]

So then you're saying it was a failed attempt at humor?
http://sanfords.net/Shady_Lady/images/moon_smile.gif

[Farren]

I was trying to be nice about it, but I guess it really did just go over your head.

When you state an extreme (cacophonous, horrible, wonderful, whatever) and modify it with an adjective indicating 'not very', sarcasm is evident.

[Rexx]

Original comment:

I agree, it was kinda cacophonous for Jordan. :P Sometimes it's nice to see that.

Modified back paddling evidence:

I was trying to be nice about it, but I guess it really did just go over your head.

When you state an extreme (cacophonous, horrible, wonderful, whatever) and modify it with an adjective indicating 'not very', sarcasm is evident. :D Sarcastic Dufus

[maJ estY]

I'm too late :(
It's probably too big for me anyway... Enigma, can't you send it via ICQ to me? <8)

[Farren]

What? I'm just trying to help you understand. What do you not get? Judging by your website, you don't get a lot of things.

Oh wait, you're Canadian.

[Stimpus]

i'm sure i'm invisible. I post a message then the same question appears and gets an answer...like i never posted at all....something must be wrong with my computer.....

[Enc3f4L0]

Damn, missed the vid.

Would anyone rehost it please? Maybe Yousendit.com...

Or send it to me at encef@brturbo.com (email or msn).

Thanks.

[Mr Hyde66]

I am wondering will he have one controler and have every thing else hooked up to it like he has always done or will he have more than one main keyboard
in front of him this time?

[Enc3f4L0]

He'll have atleast 2... A main board and a Continuum... Correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

[Berrido]

Kinda liked best the "one main controller" way. But lets wait to hear the sounds with more than one board

[keys76]

Farren & Rexx please check your PM-boxes.

Thank you,
Jeroen

[Blazinarps]

Could I have the video as well? I was at work, so I missed it unfortunately. My e-mail is joeyvila @ aol dot com.

[Rexx]

I'm hosting the video @
https://sfs.cp.net/sfs/PublicFolder?Z=frameset&X=352600_12329d8848651d7

PS. My apologies for any petty misunderstandings, didn't intend to derail the discussion.

[Cary]

Thank you, Rexx for hosting the Vid...

[Rexx]

Cary, you're more than welcome as well as anyone who wants the clip.

Back to discussion though, is it more than possible for Jordan to use an Oasys and a Continum (sp?) in place of his trusty K2600xs?

[Scrap]

Cary, you're more than welcome as well as anyone who wants the clip.

Back to discussion though, is it more than possible for Jordan to use an Oasys and a Continum (sp?) in place of his trusty K2600xs?

Well, if it wasn't possible, don't you think he wouldn't be doing it? People don't decide to dedicate weeks (possibly months) of man-hours on programming a board that they will ultimately decide on not using live. :P

[LithoJazzoSphere]

I am wondering will he have one controler and have every thing else hooked up to it like he has always done or will he have more than one main keyboard
in front of him this time?

Just the OASYS, no racks or other boards except for the Continuum/V-Synth. However, he did mention that there will be "one surprise" for the summer tour, and two for the 2nd leg fall/winter tour.

Kinda liked best the "one main controller" way.

The Continuum is practically a different instrument. You can't get the same type of control over sounds with a keyboard, so I'm glad he's using it. It's not the type of device you can have in an all-in-one keyboard.

[nirsul]

I suspect that he will use a......
Grand Piano as the surprise.

[Murasamee]

5 bucks say its a lap steel guitar, and.....a flute. :D

[Rexx]

Wut about a gutted Baby Grand with an Oasys installed that spins?

[maJ estY]

Mrasamee:
Jordan recorded the Lap Steel Guitar on Octavarium, so it can't be that, because Richard said it's something he's never recorded or used live.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

I would suspect it's something he'll use during his solo spot. Maybe it's one of those giant piano pads that you play with juggling balls? :D