wireless midi setup

[anson1809]

Can you help me?

I've been searching for information on how to set up a wireless midi system for a Keyboard controller (Roland AX) . I've seemed to hit dead ends everywhere I've searched. Can someone help me? All I know of is a product from MIDIMAN called the Transmidi piggy back system which you hook up to another XLR wireless system. Are they still available or are there more up to date versions for sale to the public?

[LithoJazzoSphere]

http://www.kentonuk.com/products/midistream.shtml

[maJ estY]

Wow, I'm impressed that this exists!
Not that I'm interested in it, it's also pretty expensive, isn't it? Anyway, I'm surprised!

[LithoJazzoSphere]

It's $500, which is not that much really. I plan to get one sometime after I get the AX-7.

[John]

Also, I'd like to get one someday.

[Karmafied]

Fortunately you can fin many of this midi wireless systems in the market, you can check the MidiStream by Kenton UK, the Limex Midiwireless, and maybe in ebay the original Transmidi PiggyBack.

I have the midiman system and i can say thats really great,you need a good UHF Audio wireless system(not diversity) and nothing more. The system runs really good but in some cases when you play in a place with no-ground electric system you can have many problems.

[accordionavenger]

Hi
Sorry that I am not able to answer your question directly but I have a comment about the wireless thing. It is a seductive thing to avoid the wire maze, no doubt.Aside from a love of music, I do a radio show on Toxics and in a recent show on Cell phones my guest, Cindy Sage of Sage Associates, (an environmental consultant that helps agencies, business and folks like you and I make decisions based on accumulated facts) had some strong comments. She has definite concerns around cell phones, remote phones and antenna siting and says that we will begin to see more and more reports of problems around this in the media once the US media can not hold back the info. as it currently is. She also had great concerns around Wifi and Wimax systems as the transmitters are right in your proximity from laptops or wireless transmitters.
There is no doubt that wireless idea is great, I say and think after untying myself from a rat nest of wires to run a simple sound box/midi controller system, but I know now more so from entering a clients computer room that the same internal discomfort I feel with cells is present at a lower level in his space.
I would consider that someone is looking over you and go back to the wire thing. These are serious issues.
If you will allow me a few more comments, a major collective of studies out of Northern Europe found that DNA was impacted at levels way lower than the standards we have set here by a corporate biased FCC. DNA damage that is serious. They are also reporting problems with Calcium uptake, brain/blood barrier leakage, memory problems and sleep disorders. A study funded by the Cell industry in the big dollar range of many years found definite negative impacts that lead to a well know scientist being black balled and the study being covered up. Cell users can get brain tumors from the microwave radiation near their auditory apparatus, and also have optical failures. One corporate guy had a tumor in one year of use. A study where nonusers were exposed to a 2 minute call every day for a week had calcium impacts. In Europe where this issue is more open and hot, England will not allow children to use Cells and several countries will not let their citizens drive while talking because they are literally punch drunk when using them for anytime because of the increased phone transmission inside the cars frame and because it is impacting their brains. Enjoy the music without the wireless bad vibes is my suggestion. I would really serious re think this. You can get more info at www.emffree.com, a internet store that deals with this issue and the issue of electrical magetic fields that do harm. They have better ear buds for phones and small snap on magentic toroids that will stop the tethered earbuds from acting like antennas; defeating the reason we are using the earbud in the first place. I can also send you an article from a respected Australian research and politician (see address below.)
Good luck. If you need more info I have that show on CD and can send you one (contact me at toxictrespass@saber.net).
Accordion Avenger

No No it is not playing accordions that makes me look into these weird, but important things.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

The cell phone - brain damage argument is widely debated and disputed, and I haven't seen a link made to wireless MIDI systems.

[John]

Does this mean that I can start laying the ground work for my law suit against the cell phone companies. I maybe able to afford some of the new keyboards someday. :)

[ChrisMcCoy]

...One corporate guy had a tumor in one year of use.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the dude's tie choking his airway combined with years of stress working in a crappy 9-5 might have given him that tumor ?

I don't agree that wireless technology (especially MIDI) is going to give anyone cancer. It's an urban legend, and until someone shows me some hard evidence that a WIRELESS MIDI RIG (NOT A CELL PHONE !!!) Caused cancer in a large group of musicians...(nevermind that they could die of other things like breathing in all that second hand smoke in the bars..) then I remain unconvinced. I deal with this technology all day long. I work in IT, and I carry a Blackberry/Phone. In addition to all the wired equipment I also deal with inhouse wireless equipment and wireless networks....I havent dropped dead...yet. So.... I say go do your wireless midi thing, and while you're at it, post some videos. If I get a decent bonus next quarter, maybe I'll try the wireless thing too. ! :)

[Shreddy]

I was an electronics major in college and I'm one of those people who think that there is the potential for some for of damage via prolonged cell phone usage. But I dont think its anything as bad as anything else we have to endure, the sun, alcohol, bad food, smog, air pollution, second hand smoke, carcinogens, contaminated water etc.......

Consider this a microwave oven operates at very high frequency 2.5 Ghz however there are other aspects to these units besides the frequency there is a waveguide which focuses the dispersion of these waves and these ovens operate at 350 to 750 watts.

A cell phone operates at a similar frequency however the power output is either .06 watts or 3 watts. So we're talking about trying to get sunburn with SPF 100 sunblock on.

[accordionavenger]

Hi
Don't mean to push this discussion elsewhere. My resource is respected consulting firm Sage Associates, who I interviewed on public radio. I have done a fairly lengthy search into this and it is bigger than our censored media is talking. The recent study in Northern Europe that found DNA damage at relatively low levels far lower than remote phones and LAN, to me says take precaution. It was done by 12 separate labs. Rather than hotly debate something, I think it is wise to at least know there is something to consider here. I live in the sticks and noticed that cell phones when used anywhere here make me feel nauseous for a good time after, I noticed a lighter version of that feeling; walking into a clients wireless office. Meanwhile a major report came out in Sweden that single biggest reasons for problems is low density areas and distant cell towers (which means it is the amping up of the phone to communicate with its tower.) That means more tumors for the convenience of rural communication. If you are curious and want more details you can contact me directly via my radio email address (toxictrespas@saber.net I actually have a CD of the show.) Otherwise, because I really think it is important not to change the direction of a site like this, I will drop it as a comment of "just be warned." I really appreciate the kindness and intelligence of your fellow keyboardist/musicians and don't want you to feel that my comments are intended to disrupt a good thing.
Thanks

[Sk]

Hi
Don't mean to push this discussion elsewhere. My resource is respected consulting firm Sage Associates, who I interviewed on public radio. I have done a fairly lengthy search into this and it is bigger than our censored media is talking. The recent study in Northern Europe that found DNA damage at relatively low levels far lower than remote phones and LAN, to me says take precaution. It was done by 12 separate labs. Rather than hotly debate something, I think it is wise to at least know there is something to consider here. I live in the sticks and noticed that cell phones when used anywhere here make me feel nauseous for a good time after, I noticed a lighter version of that feeling; walking into a clients wireless office. Meanwhile a major report came out in Sweden that single biggest reasons for problems is low density areas and distant cell towers (which means it is the amping up of the phone to communicate with its tower.) That means more tumors for the convenience of rural communication. If you are curious and want more details you can contact me directly via my radio email address (toxictrespas@saber.net I actually have a CD of the show.) Otherwise, because I really think it is important not to change the direction of a site like this, I will drop it as a comment of "just be warned." I really appreciate the kindness and intelligence of your fellow keyboardist/musicians and don't want you to feel that my comments are intended to disrupt a good thing.
Thanks

I'm studying Electronic Engineering, and I know for sure that NO RESEARCH effectively shows that EM radiations cause tumors (though it hasn't been shown the opposite). The question is much more debated than you think, at least here in Europe (BTW, GSM phones work at a nominal power of 2 watt, but the medium power expressed is about 0.6 watt). I usually remind one thing when someone faces me with this question: light is an EM radiation exactly like AC power or cell phones radiations or MIDI wireless adapters field. It happens that the only dangerous component in sunlight is located over the UV range, exactly about 1.5 times the frequency of blue. Microwave ovens, cell phones, radios, satellite telecoms, and wireless data transmits work at the so called radiofrequency, between 100MHz and 10-50GHz. Fiber optics work at frequencies lower than 1 THz, which means 1micron wavelength, but do not radiate. Visible light ranges from 350nm to 800nm, so you can easily see that wireless frequencies are well down the danger limits.

An Italian TV show tried an experiment some times ago. Since everybody was thinking that RF radiations could decrease fertility, they took a sample of sperm and measured its motility. I don't remind the exact values, but assume it was about 60%. Then they put it in a microwave oven and cooked it for some minutes, the motility went down to 55% or something. Then they took another sample from the same man and filled the glass with cigarette smoke (normal plain tobacco). The motility decreased to something like 35% in a couple of minutes.

So, the point is: keep proportions. It's like you're trying to have a perfect skin and you don't see you're missing an arm. RF radiations MAYBE have health consequencies, but they're at least 10 times less consistent than those caused by cigarettes, alcohol or drugs (even bad medicine posology). Lots of people die every day from polmonar cancer due to tobacco cigarettes, but it seems that Third Millenium Bad Guys are noone but radiations.

[accordionavenger]

I think I am going to transcribe the radio program I did on this. The guest is a well know active consultant(Cindy Sage of Sage and Associates) in this and EMF problems and she is working from lots of data. It is hardly an urban legend as there are reports of Auditory tumors at the site of the cell phone and occular damage as the microwave impacts occular fluids. Her response came from the 12 laboratory study in Sweden about this where they found DNA damage at significantly lower levels than Cell phones (I mean dramatically on several exponential levels.) Again I am advising that folks get the skinny before one commits to Cell phone use and wireless offices or studios. In my personal research I found out about high frequency Radio waves that are generated by equipment like laser printers, microwave ovens etc that use the surrounding 110 distribution system in the house as a sort of antenna. It permeates our homes. There are high tech solutions but a simple one is to turn stuff fully off with a switch when not in use. Erroring towards prevention, I am reconfiguring my office, putting my computer, printer and laser printer into a copper screen surrounded Faraday cage within decorative boxes. My radio show talks about a lot of different ways we are exposed to toxics. Frankly if one looks around at the increase in Alzeimers, parkinsons, reproductive cancers etc one has to admit that we have crossed toxic thresholds. I have found strange ways that this trespass has occurred ranging from nuclear isotopes from Nuclear power plants within 50 miles of ones house to the absorption of the same via Strontium 90 (unnatural isotope found only where nuclear energy is used in any fashion) that was discovered by an ingenius Tooth Fairy project whereupon parents send the teeth of their children with location of homes. This study shut down above ground nuclear testing. I could fill a book with this stuff and it is not appropriate here. I wrote directly to SK whose opinion I value. I also have background in Electrical engineering as well as in molecular biology, chemistry etc and a master but I am hardly an expert. My sources are credible folks gathering credible science. Again my concern for you is that you at least know that it is a possiblity and thus make your choices with some warning. For more info on this topic you might check out www.lessemf.com for books or contact www.willthomas.net a well known writer who has an excellent ebook on this topic, you can down load at a minimal cost. The last detail about the cell concern is Englands response which is to block the use of cell phones by children and Irelands awareness that 20% of its population is now electrically sensitive as to need to avoid many electronic devices that most of us have no concerns about (i.e., dimmer switches, remote phones (lower versions of microwaves like cell phones etc.)
Meanwhile I may be winning a bid on a Karma keyboard and have just purchased a leslie simulator for my accordion and a Hammond B3 VOCE simulator which I know is hot! Anxious to get into the world of Synth.s and enjoy this site for the great exchange you folks have.
PS if you like accordions and want to look into interesting music check out Art Vandamme (50's jazz) and currently Fuera or The Tin Hat Trio both excellent jazz or avante garde music. Not my capability but inspirational.
AA

[LithoJazzoSphere]

The question that I would be most curious about is of what magnitude the claim damage is. We are inundated with statements all the time about how "dangerous" some things are, for example certain types of food preservatives and enhancers. Generally when you dig in deeper into the research you find that it occured in only a minute portion of the test samples, or that the dosage was extremely high. Many of those tests are suspect to me, as you can get cancer from drinking water if you were somehow able to drink enough of it. So I always look to see if the claims are realistic. I'm noy saying that that is necessarily the case here, but the majority of the evidence I've seen indicates that it isn't that much of a concern.

[ChrisMcCoy]

All debating on the health issue aside, Litho provided what looks to be a very informative link for wireless midi. So I ask the question, did this answer the original question ? Perhaps a seperate thread should be opened for the "wireless health" debate.
:)

[accordionavenger]

Here is part of my response to one of the other folks in this thread personally who asked the same question about level of impact of wireless.

I know you think it is minor but I think that the research out of Sweden (12 labs finding DNA damage at lower levels then RF microwave is pretty serious.) In a film I got from www.lessemf.com about grounding problems they talked to a electronic engineer who had become electrically sensitive. His house is now a techno less environment and he has to wear a moving faraday suit to go into his work environment. He is obviously the worst case scenario, but the 20% Irish population with electro sensitivity is also telling. I can not answer the degree as I think the jury is out still since the research is still at the lower end of this. For me I'll do the wires. I figure all of the toxics are cumulative in one way or another. One of the important symptoms is sleep disorders, lack of dreams. Often folks with electrical sensitivity or exposed to too much electro magnetic frequency radiation by a radio alarm near their head at night or a circuit panel behind their bed report this. I have also heard reports from the CRTs impacting folks in odd ways, like skin disorders and found a scientific report about this from old style CRTs and from RF. If you would like me to send the symtpoms I can. My personal bottom line is that with all of the ways toxins enter our lives (estrogens in meat and milk plus many plastic containers, mbte from gasoline, odd additives in our food or our cosmetics, radioactivity from dairy that has been produced from cows near nuclear reactors, outgassing home products etc., why add another one, if there is any doubt. In fact the Europeans and soon us North Americans will have the Precautionary Principle which takes that approach. I can send anyone many references on this wireless/cellular topic and they are not obscure.
Lastly I do not know how to create another thread and would certainly appreciate moving it out of this topic which is mixed to much with the willingness to make the change to wireless and the potential problems in doing it. Can anyone advise on how to do that?
Thanks