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What do you guys think...this is a pretty close election and the two of them are going at it tooth and nail...it's all on Ohio now.
evadedcadence
11-03-2004, 12:45 AM
*growl* i've been biting my nails... and i'm about to start biting my nuckles!
(and thinking of moving to canada rather than deal with four more years of this administration.)
Over The Edge
11-03-2004, 01:06 AM
It's Bush.
FL
www.franklucas.net
As much as I hate to say it he will most likely win unless Kerry pulls a "Red Sox" and sweeps him somehow in some ungodly way...
telemaco5
11-03-2004, 01:49 AM
I'm so sorry for this result. Bush is ahead in Ohio and New Mexico, that's enoght to get 274 electoral votes. I wonder how is it that nobody can vote for Nader, he has far better ideas to develop USA and give better justice to the people. The 2 party system isn't a real democracy. How can someone have a chance of winning if he ins't part of those 2 parties, is that the best democracy in the world??
BTW Tony Blair is a whore.
Enigma™
11-03-2004, 02:17 AM
Well, I'm holding a 4 year long party up at my place if he *Bush* wins here in canada. All Americans are invited ;)
Who's in!?! :)
Omega Monkey
11-03-2004, 03:01 AM
Hi, my name is Eric. Can I come to your party? I think we will be best friends.
Yeah, this is way to damn close for me to be comfortable about it.
hephiroth
11-03-2004, 03:15 AM
i really hope that kerry can pull through and get ohio...because, i mean...bush has been bad enough as it is, but if we re-elect him, do you know how AWFUL the american population will look to the rest of the world??? i think that this country's future depends on this election more than any in recent history...
c'mon OHIO!!!!
-jeff-
Awake
11-03-2004, 08:57 AM
It's all over, and here's why.
No matter what eventually happens in Ohio - and I think that Bush will win that state - the Democrats have been obliterated in this election. They had seven governors up for re-election; at least five have either gone or are going. The US Senate is going to be controlled 55-45 by the GOP; Tom Daschle lost his seat. Of the 11 states which had proposals to ban gay marriage on the ballot, according to CNN, ALL of them passed. And not passed close, passed two-to-one. In Florida, a proposition requiring parental notification of abortion passed by a similar margin.
I was hoping for a Kerry White House balanced by a heavily Republican Senate. But when the dust settles, America appears to have comprehensively rejected not just Kerry but everything he stands for.
Mr.Petrucci
11-03-2004, 10:13 AM
Again an election with a ridiculous end...the Americans need four more years to learn what's good and what's not....stupid folk!
CHEERZ!
Awake
11-03-2004, 10:19 AM
Again an election with a ridiculous end...the Americans need four more years to learn what's good and what's not....stupid folk!They've clearly decided, don't you think? In 2000, they elected Bush not knowing the way he was really going to govern. In 2004, knowing full well how he governs, they elected him again with a greatly increased majority. It appears that Americans have decided what's good for them, and they apparently take a diffferent view to you and I. That makes us wrong, not them.
Enigma™
11-03-2004, 10:21 AM
And I thought 4 years was enough in the first place.
Oh well - If he's in, he's in. I just hope this time around things are a little different...
Enigma™
11-03-2004, 10:23 AM
Again an election with a ridiculous end...the Americans need four more years to learn what's good and what's not....stupid folk!They've clearly decided, don't you think? In 2000, they elected Bush not knowing the way he was really going to govern. In 2004, knowing full well how he governs, they elected him again with a greatly increased majority. It appears that Americans have decided what's good for them, and they apparently take a diffferent view to you and I. That makes us wrong, not them.
If you're a parent, and you've got 3 kids - and two of them don't want to move to another house where it's bigger, safer and closer to schools, etc.. Just because a majority believes in something doesn't make them right about it.
Awake
11-03-2004, 10:30 AM
If you're a parent, and you've got 3 kids - and two of them don't want to move to another house where it's bigger, safer and closer to schools, etc.. Just because a majority believes in something doesn't make them right about it.I don't doubt that you're right - but for better or worse, in this case, my opinion about where America should be heading is irrelevant. What's very relevant is that the democratic party is finished as a serious force in federal politics for a generation.
People are saying that the democrats survived Nixon and they survived Regan, so they'll survive this. But throughout those administrations, Democrats controlled The US House, and numerous statehouses. This morning, we wake up to the reality that Democrats control no part of the Federal Government, the moderates are leaving the Bush cabinet (specifically, Powell), and their control out in the states is now marginal. This is a seismic power shift of absolutely unprecented scope; rarely before has America stood at a crossroads with such very different paths ahead of it and headed down one path with such gusto.
evadedcadence
11-03-2004, 10:40 AM
And I thought 4 years was enough in the first place.
Oh well - If he's in, he's in. I just hope this time around things are a little different...
ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.
different? he's going to make things WORSE! The idiot uses our budget like an UNLIMITED credit card. Not to mention that we've lost all respect in the global community.
It seriously sickens me to think that I could possibly live in such a conservative, backwards country.
At least my state, and those around me, voted the correct way.
Not that I'm saying Kerry was the best choice for the Democratic Party to run, but he was better than keeping that FARKING idiot in office for four more years.
So.. just how big is your place, Dave? I think we're going to come up and stay for a while. :P
Awake
11-03-2004, 11:21 AM
Hey guys - it's over. Kerry just conceded.
Like it or not, it's Bush for another four years.
*Sighs* anyone moving to Canda?
Eric Zane
11-03-2004, 12:18 PM
:|
Liquid Shadow
11-03-2004, 07:16 PM
I call Dave's couch.
Irish
11-03-2004, 07:45 PM
This is one of the greatest moments in election history. Although I am the only Bush supporter here, the people elected Bush, and there's a reason for it.
May we defend and protect our country until the end!
that godssssss :roll: keeps our ground during these 4 years
who knows this guy is able to declare a nucleaire war at any time
Kurzweil88
11-03-2004, 08:38 PM
Glad sooo many of you are supporting (supported) the right man for the job. I VERY strongly believe Kerry would be the better man for the job.
It funny that you are all talking about Canada, I've been saying I will move there if Bush wins for months! So, now that I have a place to stay up there, see you guys there! :D
King_Ellesar
11-03-2004, 08:41 PM
that godssssss :roll: keeps our ground during these 4 years
who knows this guy is able to declare a nucleaire war at any time
pardon me asking, but what exactly did that mean? :?
by the way, a little side note about canada....i learned today that the U.S. and canada proposed an agreement that if and when a draft was started, canada would send back any one who moved there to avoid the military. my political science teacher told me that today, but i had never heard of that before. anyone else hear that?
i found this site interesting (http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~kenyon3/2004.htm)
not that i really trust IQ that much, but interesting.
AWIP Keys
11-03-2004, 08:53 PM
I believe the large voter turnout was compromised of vastly uneducated or unthinking(is that a word? ) people. Part of mtv's "its easier than buying Tims" campaign. :lol:
evadedcadence
11-03-2004, 09:23 PM
This is one of the greatest moments in election history. Although I am the only Bush supporter here, the people elected Bush, and there's a reason for it.
May we defend and protect our country until the end!
Oh yes. There IS a reason for it. The Bible Belt is far too big. And the Democratic Party did NOTHING to try to win over the Bible Belt. The Democratic party FAILED and seriously needs to fix itself before the next election. It needs to fix itself from the ground up and it needs to figure out how to win over some of the dread Bible Belt AND still remain true to it's values.
Or The North East needs to become North East America and let the rest of the Red States run themselves into the ground. (I jest, but only slightly.)
I love how re-electing an IDIOT PRESIDENT WHO KNEW ABOUT 9/11 BEFORE IT HAPPPENED AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT is "defending and protecting" our country. And maybe the "end" is coming sooner than we think.
Liquid Shadow
11-03-2004, 09:44 PM
by the way, a little side note about canada....i learned today that the U.S. and canada proposed an agreement that if and when a draft was started, canada would send back any one who moved there to avoid the military.
I quote Bush from the 2nd debate:
"There will not be a draft. Period."
I love how re-electing an IDIOT PRESIDENT WHO KNEW ABOUT 9/11 BEFORE IT HAPPPENED AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT is "defending and protecting" our country.
Clinton knew things about it when he was in office too. Neither did anything, because the people surrounding them also had a say in it, and nobody was worried. The president isn't the only person who makes decisions based on intelligence reports, you know. They DO have an entire cabinet to deal with. In the case of 9/11, Bush, Clinton, and both of their cabinets had information regarding it, but nobody did anything about it, and I really doubt it would have been any different if Gore were in office when it happened. Nobody thought that anything like that could ever happen, and it was just some silly terrorist group making threats that were not feasible at all. They proved us wrong.
As much as I disagree with Bush and wish he weren't president, I think that he did as good as anybody could have as far as 9/11 went. We can't really blame him for that. What we can blame him for is his faulty logic after the fact (ie: attack Saddam and state publicly that you aren't worried about Osama....the man who friggin attacked you)
I love how re-electing an IDIOT PRESIDENT WHO KNEW ABOUT 9/11 BEFORE IT HAPPPENED AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT is "defending and protecting" our country.
As much as I hate to defend Bush, that statement is false. Bush didn't know about 9/11 and he didn't cause it - he knew Bin Laden wanted to attack the US, and had our intelligence services been operating in the way they should have been, he might have known that there were suspicious people in our flight schools. That's about the extent of it, which all was concluded by the bipartisan 9/11 Commission. I've read it, and everyone should...
Ehren
11-04-2004, 03:07 AM
This is one of the greatest moments in election history. Although I am the only Bush supporter here, the people elected Bush, and there's a reason for it.
May we defend and protect our country until the end!
Irish, looks like we have another thing in common - other than our Irish heritage, I mean. I support Bush as well. I'll say - he made some mistakes, but I'm still behind him. And anybody that wants to disagree or bash him is perfectly fine with me - I'll be the first to admit he's fucked some things up - as long as they don't make idiotic and untrue claims. This blind bullshitting, however, is neither productive nor conducive to anyone's cause.
Eric Zane
11-04-2004, 03:32 AM
So, everyone who voted on Bush supported his action and let him be able to do things over again?
Weird ...
Ehren
11-04-2004, 04:04 AM
Was that comment really necessary? Intelligent? Productive in any way? Or just another venomous, irrelevant, pathetic stab?
Eric Zane
11-04-2004, 04:13 AM
Was that comment really necessary? Intelligent? Productive in any way? Or just another venomous, irrelevant, pathetic stab?
Actually, I don't care how good the rest of Mr. Bush's politic is, he managed it the wrong. Terribly wrong.
So, voting for him ONCE AGAIN just looks totally stupid.
But I'm a European.
Ehren
11-04-2004, 04:15 AM
Thanks, Eric, sorry about the assholish last comment, it's been a long ... long ... night. And this time around you clarified. I understand where you're coming from now.
Eric Zane
11-04-2004, 04:17 AM
Thanks, Eric, sorry about the assholish last comment, it's been a long ... long ... night. And this time around you clarified. I understand where you're coming from now.
It's cool, mate. I saw two American students on Swedish television this morning, reffering to the election. One who voted for Bush, one for Kerry (from Sweden). The interview really got some perspective, but it didn't really changed my opinions.
Ehren
11-04-2004, 04:24 AM
Eh ... at the very least, it's always good to see things from both sides.
Even though I would have voted for Bush - I'll be 18 on the 22nd of this month - I would have been almost equally satisfied with Kerry. It would have been an interesting change.
Either way, the U.S. will make it through. How nice it would be for once to have a leader that the great majority of people support. One day, I suppose. The REALLY scary thing is that most people seem to think that the democrats are going to put Hilary Clinton up for nomination in the next election, since Kerry lost. Now THAT is something I think we can all agree would be just fucking horrible. Feminazi from HELL!
Junnart83
11-04-2004, 04:46 AM
Hmm...moving to Canada shall be a quite nice idea!!!
The only thing I'd suggest you is NOT to move here in Italy!!! :wink:
Kurzweil88
11-05-2004, 10:19 AM
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Canada Sound Great! 8)
Deceit
11-06-2004, 09:22 AM
Hmm...moving to Canada shall be a quite nice idea!!!
The only thing I'd suggest you is NOT to move here in Italy!!! :wink:
@Junnart83:
Seeeh! Un collega di Bologna, la mia città? Incredibile :D! Sono commosso!
Magari ci si becca in giro uno di sti giorni!
@the rest:
I wrote what I think about the whole thing in "The Spirit Kerry's On" thread...and I strongly believe Bush is a complete idiot and wish him a really hard time...the problems will come up one day, and I'm sure he will make more and more mistakes, which will still be no match for those of the past four years.
That's why I love Europe these days.
Deceit.
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