News about Progsounds and Scarabsupport.com

[Luca_Capozzi]

ok... this is a sad news. Due to a technical problem during ISP platform migration, all data are been erased. That includes our board, our db, patches and mp3 files. Sadly too, our ISP haven't provided a backup of user's files and databases so all our work is lost.

So.. we have to rebuild from scratch Progsounds and we change our hosting for it. I will host PS on my webspace.

About Scarabsupport.com:
Alberto said that he will update/modify its site very soon, with more informations about Scarab Stands.

For Alberto's personal site and board, you can refer to usual site email.

See ya

[Alucard]

Oh Shit!!!!

[ImaX]

Very sad :( that's why I couldn't get on the page as I tried to...

I feel sorry for all the work Alberto & a lot of other people did there. I'm sure they'll build it up again, but it was a GREAT thing just as it was before! So all hands up for Alberto, keep on! :twisted:

[Fossil Records]

Let me know if you guys want me to set you up with a phpBB forum. Since Alberto is one of our artists, he's welcome to use us for the ProgSounds forum.

[albertors]

Let me know if you guys want me to set you up with a phpBB forum. Since Alberto is one of our artists, he's welcome to use us for the ProgSounds forum.

What can I say? I'm left undefended in front of all this support. Thanks a lot from the bottom of my heart. This is the situation:

We were talking about the future of ProgSounds with Cory and Dave (Scrap and Enigma): lately my weekly schedule has become so busy that I find myself sitting here and thinking about what needs to have more space and what can be reduced. Most of the time I spend these days is in school playing or studying on a very strict and intensive practice routine. I hardly keep up with eating regularly (although I'm definitely interested in not abandoning that!) and human relations are affected too..not a lot of "life" as some people would call it.

In this turboulence (DT fans will like this term ;)) I looked at ProgSounds and called Scrap and Dave for a "company meeting". It's been a nice thing to do and I myself had a lot of fun keeping up with that but also if it seems that the board stays up for itself, there is a lot of manteinance and controls, backups and routines that I have to run on it to keep it up. I've come to a point in which I can't do it anymore and I asked the admin guys to take it over.

Luckily Luca (Axiom, I don't like calling people by nicks as you noticed) agreed to take over ProgSounds and host it on his own webspace and mental space :-) I'm happy to know that people will soon find a better ProgSounds to use for their music stuff and I'm totally confident that he'll do a great job.

Now, things wouldn't have been so drastic if my provider (WMGitalia.net or SELENIAUK.com) wouldn't have been so smart to update their servers without taking care of something called backup or porting issues. Result is: progsounds is completely erased along with its MySql database. Now, for the site part this is not a problem, but the database...I forgot to back it up lately (no serious excuse might exist in this world, but even if what I might use is BS I know that my busy schedule played a role in this for sure).

I highly appreciate Fossil Records taking care of featuring me in their website and I must say the idea to have a personal forum is great but I don't know how many people would be interested in joining. Even if it's a small space who says this is not gonna be nice..that's true.

The important matter now is: I myself have NO MORE anything to do with ProgSounds, I'm just a normal user. The head admin for this project is now AXIOM. He's the owner of the space, the one who admins it and the to whom you should say "thanks a lot for taking care of ProgSounds".

What Dave and Cory are going to do is up to them of course - to tell you the truth I don't know what their intentions are but they might be as well members of the new PS to talk and discuss stuff as they were doing before. It's up to them to provide updates about this though as I can't take any responsibility (and bad pride) in speaking for them.

I'm totally sure ProgSounds will evolve greatly now that it's free from a lazy and busy admin how I was. Other than that, I highly appreciated this friendly help by everyone of you, especially Fossil Records there..you know guys I'm lazy as I still have to send you my contract, I'll do that in this week so please don't kick me out :-)

Sideote: If you never checked what Fossil Records has its catalog, move your mouse and go check out their line-up..there's great stuff in there.


Scarab Support board will be probably available in their web site, I still have to see as I think I'll be updating it quite soon as they asked me for a small but effective revision.

My personal board? Who knows where it's going to go...for the moment I have no forum but you can send me emails at info@albertorizzoschettino.com as usual and I'll try to get back to you as soon as possible.

If you are reading this and want to contact me the best way is to send me a PM right now and here on this board. Since I'm not sure if my email will be working as GOOD (=bad) and ProgSounds, using PM is a great alternative.

I'll check back from time to time to see if I have anything to reply to, don't make me feel like I'm a "no-mail" guy ;-)

Things are doing great here, I hope your life is running nice as well, stay balanced, explore and have fun!

Sincerely,
Alberto

[merijn]

Bad , bad news! Good think Axiom is taking it over! Goodluck with it. I will certainly sign up again.

[Everlasting_Rain]

Bad news, but great people.... so that won't be a problem in a near future. I'll also join back progsounds.

Alberto, you did a great work creating and maintaining that forum, so leave that statement of lazyness behind!

[Mago_Lari]

Yeah..great people..ask me if you want some help in rebuilding the site..!
i will be glad to help you in what you need!

Bye bye
Claudio

[Zaki]

yes as you saw bad news it was a great resourses , but great people
i can help you in design if you need (im webdesigner)

[albertors]

It might sound corny or phony but guys believe me, in this period of great music satisfaction but sparse friendship enjoyment, I really appreciate you doing all of this.

For everything that is related to ProgSounds (site design help, co-admining etc.) Axiom is the man to contact. Bear in mind he's doing a lot of other stuff (and he's doing it good) so he might be busy. Anyway he's doing his best to keep ProgSounds up and I'm sure (I already had a small preview) this is going to be much better. Lots of people voted for the site improvement and here it is! Only of course we might have preferred a smoother transition rather than a MASS DELETE as it happened...

well you might want to write down the name of the provider and try and stay away if their 'professional' methods do not collide with yours ;-)

Anyway, I'm probably going to create a small board on my website, related to my music. It's going to be one of those boards with like 25 members, nobody posting there where some guy constantly asks about technical stuff and where I keep spamming :-) sounds good enough to me.

I -might- open a position for someone to admin/moderate it if things keep being as busy as they are now (I'll tell you if I look ahead..they're gonna get even worse). I will let you know here in case anybody wants to provide help and have fun. Again: -very small board -very small and futile, demential contents (it's mine right?) -not a paid job -no real payback situations but all those that I can give..like let's say I get to play with a big artist you love, I'll try and get you a backstage pass before I get fired..deal?

Again I send my very best thanks to Axiom and Fossil Records in primis for they quick and consistent help. All of you guys there around the world get a great musical hug wherever you are.

Things will keep up don't worry,
Alberto

[albertors]

Ok I might not be the exact prototype of a webmaster, but why don't you guys take a look at this:



CLICK HERE and believe it (http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds/board/index.php)

I thought this was nicer than offering you a beer..at least right now ;-)
Alberto

[Kirby]

Now that's great news!

Almost everything there again, only a few posts missing!

Good work! It would have been very sad if the entire forum had been lost...

[Scrap]

To be honest, I have no idea if I will have anything to do with Progsounds in the future. It is a great concept, but I feel that I have no longer anything to contribute that the public would be interested in, as my recent work has been largely ignored by the community. Also, I don't want to stay with something that keeps getting shot down in some way or another, which it has, first because of greedy, money-driven people, who are associated with this forum, wanting to make a profit off of synth parameters that others aren't technically minded enough to create themselves (no names shall be mentioned, but I think you guys are smart enough to figure this out on your own), and secondly, once actually settling on our own server, having all of our hard work being wiped out by hackers time and time again is -really- discouraging in general. There is also a certain amount of pretension circulating around certain members of Progsounds which I just can't tolerate on a personal level.

But I want to thank the sound creators and administrators of Progsounds for putting in all the work that they have.

[Lyngs]

I guess bad luck continue to haunt Progsounds, eh?

I have to agree partly with what Scrap is saying. I too feel that most of the users on the board have been exclusivly using Progsounds to download sounds from without giving proper credit to the creators at all.

It is really discouraging when people are solely downloading your hard work - which have taken a lot of hours to create - without even dropping a single note about it in the thread.

I will be a part of the new community, and I am really hoping that this time people will be less selfish and be a part of the forum instead of just using it to get what they want and then leave, which is really difficult for me to tolerate.

Mkay - I think that was enough being negative for now. Luca, Alberto, Dave, Cory, you have been doing so much more work than me, thanks a lot for your hard work.
Luca, I really admire that you will take the time to once again recreate the forum.
I myself have a very busy schedule, but let me know if you need help with anything, and I'll see if I can find some sparetime somewhere.

Regards,
Ulrik.

[VINOD]

all The Best With The New Forum Guys

I think i'll start spamming tht forum for a while ....LOL

Just kiddin guys

And a special congrats to Luca (Axiom) for takin over the Forum

Keep Rockin
Forever

Vinod
8)

[Mago_Lari]

On Progsound you have different kind of users..cause there are users that build Sounds for their own, cause they like, thay have passion and they want to share with each other and there are users that ufortunately cant program very well a synth ( its very difficoult in a lot of case..look at a Kurzy..) and want : 1) to learn how to program viewing sounds hand made by ohter members ( which is admirable..) or 2) to only download sounds of other members posted in order to be downloaded..
Maybe anyone sad "many, thanks" to Scrap from all the users who downloaded but if i were in you Scrap i would feel, dunno, satisfied with my self, cause i created something the ohers can use and go all over the web ( and the World..), and just using it its like say you Thank you! ( I think in this way..)
Btw I agree with Scrap when he says that cannot host anymore something that "can" cause him problems..He gave us so much that is in the way to say this i feel!!
Summing up i was only saying that i admire all of you guys that created Progsounds and still, still work hard in your way to let this community to be open and working!
So ppl, let there be rock!! :twisted:
Clau

[Luca_Capozzi]

somthing will be changed ;)

[Lyngs]

On Progsound you have different kind of users..cause there are users that build Sounds for their own, cause they like, thay have passion and they want to share with each other and there are users that ufortunately cant program very well a synth ( its very difficoult in a lot of case..look at a Kurzy..) and want : 1) to learn how to program viewing sounds hand made by ohter members ( which is admirable..) or 2) to only download sounds of other members posted in order to be downloaded..
Maybe anyone sad "many, thanks" to Scrap from all the users who downloaded but if i were in you Scrap i would feel, dunno, satisfied with my self, cause i created something the ohers can use and go all over the web ( and the World..), and just using it its like say you Thank you! ( I think in this way..)


It does not take many seconds to at least write a post with a "thank you" in it, but even this small appreciation has happened very rarely. (at least this has been my experience)

[Enigma™]

To be honest, I have no idea if I will have anything to do with Progsounds in the future. It is a great concept, but I feel that I have no longer anything to contribute that the public would be interested in, as my recent work has been largely ignored by the community. Also, I don't want to stay with something that keeps getting shot down in some way or another, which it has, first because of greedy, money-driven people, who are associated with this forum, wanting to make a profit off of synth parameters that others aren't technically minded enough to create themselves (no names shall be mentioned, but I think you guys are smart enough to figure this out on your own), and secondly, once actually settling on our own server, having all of our hard work being wiped out by hackers time and time again is -really- discouraging in general. There is also a certain amount of pretension circulating around certain members of Progsounds which I just can't tolerate on a personal level.

But I want to thank the sound creators and administrators of Progsounds for putting in all the work that they have.

I would like to basically second this.
It'd hard when you don't have your own webspace nor do I have much time anymore to be able to do this stuff.
I'm getting married, have a full time job, have an apartment to take care of, have this forum to take care of, 3 bands, personal programming as well as programming for other things as well, recording in the studio, etc.. I simply don't have time to go through and make all those sounds all over again. Scrap did an amazing job with the Korg section for the Karma, and I was doing what I could for the Kurzweil section as I was about to release a few more huge song setups.

There were a couple people over there that were trying too as well, but I guess the most disheartening thing is that most people wouldn't contribute.
It's easier to work on something when you have a start to begin with and then work from there, but for a lot of people they would simply download and play the sounds and not give a thanks *some people would, I'm not going to generalize* and it would suck from a programmers perspective because I know I would personally work for up to 2 hours on 1 sound to get it right and then when it's uploaded, it'll be downloaded by users 88 times in a week, and have 2 replies that are like "Thanks, sounds good"

Amazing concept, and there were plenty of tutorials that were great for helping people get into synth programming. There were backing tracks to practice your new leads on, etc..

I don't think I could get back into it though. People didn't understand how much time it takes to program every single setup and sound for something like Dance of Eternity and people would be asking for it.

It's almost like asking for some insane complex midi from Baker here and expecting not to have to do it yourself.

It was just frustrating for me and that's a large part of why I had to stop going there.

[albertors]

I feel you Dave. That's part of the reason why I stopped one second before hitting the "Submit" button for all of my own, personal patches. It's definitely not good and well, people brought it on themselves (that's what happens with our whole life btw).

The good thing is, what you guys did worked great on yourself and raised your own personal bar. Others' mud is for others to be swallowed.

Sounds harsh but for the most of it, it's all in tune ;-)

You did a great job for sure, life is more important though,
Alberto

[Kirby]

I really understand your points.

Programming sounds can be very time consuming, and it's very nice when people release their sounds for the puclic. But not getting real feedback and just seeing people download it can be very discouraging.
I think it has become some kind mentality, since there are so much free sounds on the net.
Making money with those sounds without giving credit to the authors/asking the authors for permission, that can't really be the result of hours of programming.
I think it's much more effective to give tutorials, because with tutorials, the people do and learn something other than "Save target as..."

That's just my 2 cents.

Great respect goes to the people who put their energy into ProgSounds!

[merijn]

This saddens my, Scrap.

[Luca_Capozzi]

[Upload/Download System] - Completed
[New portal deployng] - In Progress...

With this new Ul/Dl system, an user cannot download a patch file if he haven't enough points. New points can be earned uploading a new patch sound. Those points will be earned only after staff validation of file submitted.

Stay tuned...

see ya

[albertors]

I love you, just love you. You surely know how to make some fat butts loose some weight eh :-)

[Kirby]

This sounds like a good solution to me!

[Fossil Records]

It's good to hear that Axiom's going to be rebuilding the site. It's a real bummer that all of that stuff was lost - been there, done that, hated it. :wink: But to think that ProgSounds would be gone forever would be very depressing. I never had much to contribute (I'm primarily a guitar player and only a keyboard novice), but profited greatly from the insight and resources you guys provided. I have a few of the Monster Lead settings for one of the VST's (Dream Machine? maybe?) and I've built a SoundFont for it if that would help at all.

Anyway, I look forward to the new ProgSounds! :D

[albertors]

It's good to hear that Axiom's going to be rebuilding the site. It's a real bummer that all of that stuff was lost - been there, done that, hated it. :wink: But to think that ProgSounds would be gone forever would be very depressing. I never had much to contribute (I'm primarily a guitar player and only a keyboard novice), but profited greatly from the insight and resources you guys provided. I have a few of the Monster Lead settings for one of the VST's (Dream Machine? maybe?) and I've built a SoundFont for it if that would help at all.

Anyway, I look forward to the new ProgSounds! :D

Not only Axiom is doing a great job in building "Progsounds V4.0", I also managed to fully recover the old site, so nothing was lost during the last breakdown.

You can still access it at the usual url here:
Progsounds (http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/~progsounds/board/)

This basically means that there was the possibility to recover all the previous patches and posts, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PORTED TO THE NEW PROGSOUNDS version. This means the new boards are going to be empty.

Also, user registration is required again as the whole engine was completely changed.

the old URL will no longer be working anytime soon, you'll get a redirection to the new URL.

Alb

[Fossil Records]

Sweet! I had just checked out the old ProgSounds link (don't know why... don't know what I thought I'd find) and saw that the forum was there and filled! I rushed back here to tell everyone... and saw that you already had. :lol:

[albertors]

Sweet! I had just checked out the old ProgSounds link (don't know why... don't know what I thought I'd find) and saw that the forum was there and filled! I rushed back here to tell everyone... and saw that you already had. :lol:


eheh ;-) I'm removing it right now, placing a redirection so that whoever enters the old, the new finds. Yoda style.

http://jordanrudess.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=37971#37971