Change seq songs on triton with pedal?

[el mae de las teclas]

Hi everybody! I don't know how you people arrange your sounds, but on my Triton, I programed all the sounds I need for each song in the sequencer, cause its the only way to have programs and combis on a single "bank". All so great so far, BUT, I must change the sound manually cause the pedal can't be programed to change the sequencer song/sound. The pedal can only change the sound on the program or combi banks.
So if this is true, I must continue changing the sound manually?
How do you people change your sounds using pedals?
And one final question, I don't know the Kurzweil, but my guess will be that it have also banks and combis. How then, does Jordan change all his sounds, if he needs one that is in program and another which is in combi bu just stepping on his pedal?

Thanks for any ideas you can share!
Andres

[Eric Zane]

See:
"Basic Guide", section "Other functions", p. 124-125: "Specifying the function of the ASSIGNABLE Switch and ASSIGNABLE Pedal"
You might find something there?

[rutgerv]

It''s NOT true that the only way you can use prog's and combi's is in SEQ mode. You can also use program's in Combi mode.

Actually the Combi mode is identical to the SEQ mode, except it is 8 parts multitimbral instead of 16 in SEQ, and it has of course no sequencer capability. The pedal can control "Program Up" and "Program Down". Both program and combimode respond to this, but SEQ mode not...

Regards,

Rutger

[hephiroth]

i think where you're confused is that if you want a combi sound and a program sound together on one setup, you have to see if that's possible or not...usually it is. start looking at some combi sounds; you'll begin to notice that most of them only use about 3-4 programs of that 8 available. this is very good for you. this means that you can designate one "zone" of your keyboard to the combi sound, then pick other sounds you want for the rest of the setup. the big thing is making sure that any sounds you want layered together (like, say, a combi sound from a preset...or one of your own creation, like strings and piano) must be designated to the same zone of the keyboard.

so let's say you want an orchestral combi preset in your left hand, and synth lead program in your right. simply call up the orchestral combi (start with this since you already need to be in combi mode) and then look to see how many of the 8 programs it is taking up. hopefully you have at least one free program. go into your menu and go to "zone," then make all of the tracks dedicated to the combi go from zone A0 to D0 (or whatever key you want them to go to). Then, go back to the main combi screen, find the first free track, and call up whatever synth lead patch you want (make sure you change the source from "Off" to "INT"), then go back into your menu and back into "Zone" again. Make this track have a zone for the upper part of the keyboard, splitting it wherever you stopped the orchestral combi.

Of course, you can split the keyboard in more sections than this and incorporate a second combi (just make sure all the involved tracks for a combi are on the same zone), and then make sure you route your effects appropriately, but that works the same as on the SEQ mode.

Now, you can make setups just like Jordan has, and store them *in order* in any bank you want in the COMBI mode, and then set your switch pedal to "Inc +" and it will jump you to the next program. Voila, you're JR! (almost, hehe)

Hope that helps!

-Jeff-

[el mae de las teclas]

Thanks guys!! I noticed rutgerv was the one who fully understood me, but hepiroth you brought some interesting stuff to subject.

1st thing: I don't know why I didn't thought before in placing all my sounds on one of the combis banks, like rutgerv suggested. This way I can use the pedal for changing programs.
But the only thing that concerns me is the fact that I'm going to mess a lot the "order" of the combis bank. Is it just as easy to have two copies of let say combi bank D, one with the preset sounds intact, and the other one with my sounds customized? Is that the way you work it?

2nd thing: Hepiroth, I know the splitting function of the keyboard, you misunderstood me at this point, though I appreciate your effort. But still you came out with some interesting point.
I've had this question for a while already. You are talking about splitting the keyboard into several sounds, though the limit is somehow related to the number of effects we can apply to the sound (5 effects per combi). Even if we are just making a split of two sounds, 5 effect may become short if each sound demands several effects, don't you think? Certainly we can share the same effect for all the sounds on the combi, but on some occations we could just want to have completly separate effects for each sound and then we can realize that our creation of that combi is limited cause we only have 5 effect slots to apply.

Have anyone encountered this limitation when building up a combi? Personally I've had this problem when trying to combine a couple of program sounds into one combi. At the end I was able to do it, but the outcome was not what I expected, cause at least one of the sounds had a slightly different texture than it has when it is a program and have all 5 effect slots available to itself. Do you get what I'm saying?

Anyways, I guess I will try what Rotgerv said!! Once again thanks, see you.

Andrés

[hephiroth]

Thanks guys!! I noticed rutgerv was the one who fully understood me, but hepiroth you brought some interesting stuff to subject.

cool 8)

1st thing: I don't know why I didn't thought before in placing all my sounds on one of the combis banks, like rutgerv suggested. This way I can use the pedal for changing programs.
But the only thing that concerns me is the fact that I'm going to mess a lot the "order" of the combis bank. Is it just as easy to have two copies of let say combi bank D, one with the preset sounds intact, and the other one with my sounds customized? Is that the way you work it?

well, if you have a Triton Pro-X "Classic" then you're a little stuck on this issue because it ONLY has 4 combi banks. So, if you choose Bank D, then you will be "messing it up," so to speak. One way to get around this is to make sure you have that bank data saved on disk (you can download the original disk that came with your Triton from www.korg.com or www.tritonhaven.com if you want the standard bank settings) and then switch out the new data with the old whenever you need it. But once you start re-doing presets, you're gonna be losing some stuff, even if it's only temporary.

2nd thing: Hepiroth, I know the splitting function of the keyboard, you misunderstood me at this point, though I appreciate your effort. But still you came out with some interesting point.
I've had this question for a while already. You are talking about splitting the keyboard into several sounds, though the limit is somehow related to the number of effects we can apply to the sound (5 effects per combi). Even if we are just making a split of two sounds, 5 effect may become short if each sound demands several effects, don't you think? Certainly we can share the same effect for all the sounds on the combi, but on some occations we could just want to have completly separate effects for each sound and then we can realize that our creation of that combi is limited cause we only have 5 effect slots to apply.

Have anyone encountered this limitation when building up a combi? Personally I've had this problem when trying to combine a couple of program sounds into one combi. At the end I was able to do it, but the outcome was not what I expected, cause at least one of the sounds had a slightly different texture than it has when it is a program and have all 5 effect slots available to itself. Do you get what I'm saying?

yeah...this is sort of a problem. You can actually split it up to 8 times, but you're going to have work with the 5 insert effects and 2 master effects (remember you can route master effects to act as insert effects by selecting "L/R" instead "IFX 1-5"). It sort of becomes a trick of getting the most necessary effects for each sound. However, keep in mind that you won't usually want to split your keyboard 8 times...why not just make a few different setups. It's best to give yourself some keys to play with on each sound, unless you have a VERY specific part that only requires one or two keys (like a sample, for instance). At least that's my experience. I'd rather have 4 setups than one crowded setup where I feel like I'm walking on egg shells to make sure I'm in the right zone. If you notice, Jordan doesn't do a LOT of intricate splitting usually...some layering, perhaps, but usually just one or two splits, then he'll change setups when sounds change.

Anyways, I guess I will try what Rotgerv said!! Once again thanks, see you.

Andrés

good luck!!

-jeff-

[el mae de las teclas]

Jeff, cool advise there for routing the mfx! Not yet put in practice but at least I know it can be done! And yes, we must work with what we have :roll: , which is not little either, Triton is cool!

Andrés