What's up with Kurzweil things...

[Purator]

Why is everyone who is into metal/quasi prog so excited about Kurzweil keyboards...they're just regular shit workstation synths made complicated with funny words like VAST, KDFX, etc...and don't forget it's filled with lots of irritating menus...



is it just because Jordan uses it?

[riadsala]

So, do you agree that I should get a Warr guitar instead or a Rudess keyboard?


Does Jordan have a signiture keyboard? As Trey Gunn has a signiture Warr, so does that mean him and Crimson are better? Or just have more money to pay the guitar company?

[merijn]

I don't think you believe what hell you're talking about. It's not just ''a shitty workstation''. None of the modern workstations are truly shitty. Kurzweil offers the best quality, THAT's what's up. And menus, I'm not irritated by them. And now that jordan uses an extreme I won't even think of selling my k2600X.

[riadsala]

I don't think you believe what hell you're talking about. It's not just ''a shitty workstation''. None of the modern workstations are truly shitty. Kurzweil offers the best quality, THAT's what's up. And menus, I'm not irritated by them. And now that jordan uses an extreme I won't even think of selling my k2600X.

:D

[Purator]

Does Jordan have a signiture keyboard? As Trey Gunn has a signiture Warr, so does that mean him and Crimson are better? Or just have more money to pay the guitar company?

Young Chang (Kurzweil's parent company) had troubles learning English and contacting Jordan... :lol:

[Luca_Capozzi]

did you want a workstation? choose a Triton.

want a synthesizer (in the real meaning of this word).. so choose Kurzweil K2*00, Clavia, Moog and so on.

I think that there are a general misunderstanding about what a synthesizer is...

see ya

[merijn]

did you want a workstation? choose a Triton.

want a synthesizer (in the real meaning of this word).. so choose Kurzweil K2*00, Clavia, Moog and so on.

I think that there are a general misunderstanding about what a synthesizer is...

see ya

I knew you would defend Kurzweil. You, with your k2500X :D

[Luca_Capozzi]

yes.. I'm totally satisfied by VAST engine (except for filters... too cold). I've discovered kurzweil synths before discover JR music. I've seen a kurz key on a Niacin live.. so I've searched around and.. the rest is history :)

see ya

[Purator]

did you want a workstation? choose a Triton.

want a synthesizer (in the real meaning of this word).. so choose Kurzweil K2*00, Clavia, Moog and so on.

I think that there are a general misunderstanding about what a synthesizer is...

see ya

I think I know what is a workstation and what is a synth...you apparently don't exactly...

A subtractive synth/pure synth/the thing most people call synth does not have a sample piano...it uses raw waveforms (couple of 'em...sine, square, saw, triangle, etc...) and modifies them with filters to form sounds...

so I wouldn't actually call Kurzweil a substractive synth...it's more of a workstation that works in a substractive synth-like way...


oh, and Triton has the moss expansion which IS synthesis...kurzweil just uses sampled waveforms...


rudess conspiracy:
I could rephrase what I said...it IS shitty compared to how people tend to talk about it...seriously, after reading this forum, you'd think that everybody should use a Kurzweil and that's it...I see it more as a mega-workstation thing...

axiom:
I don't have a Kurzweil, Triton...or anything similar (dunno...some of you may think a Nord Lead 3 is similar...or a Neuron)...so I'm not a Korg/Roland/Yamaha fanboy dissing other keyboards...

[Luca_Capozzi]

A subtractive synth/pure synth/the thing most people call synth does not have a sample piano...it uses raw waveforms (couple of 'em...sine, square, saw, triangle, etc...) and modifies them with filters to form sounds...

I totally agree with you.


so I wouldn't actually call Kurzweil a substractive synth...it's more of a workstation that works in a substractive synth-like way...


not exactly... excluding PCM (that is not synthesis), with a Kurzweil you can do subtractive (obvious ;) ), FM, PWM, AM.. sadly, due to lack of more BPF you can't do a successfull formant synthesis.. you can also do a (limited) additive synthesis. I haven't tried yet to emulate granular synthesis. I don't believe that is possible to do spectral on a Kurz.


oh, and Triton has the moss expansion which IS synthesis...kurzweil just uses sampled waveforms...


not exaclty.. there are algorithms that generate oscillators via DSP.

see ya

[Purator]

oh, and Triton has the moss expansion which IS synthesis...kurzweil just uses sampled waveforms...


not exaclty.. there are algorithms that generate oscillators via DSP.

is that a special mode or what? (talking about kurzweil of course)

[Kirby]

Kurzweils VAST is very flexible, you can mangle samples in many different ways...

Also, the Kurzweil can generate DSP waves which are not samples, so you can use it as a basic subtractive synth.

For someone who likes traditional analog stuff, a Kurzweil may be a new experience. Of course it's complex... but for me, the menues aren't irritating.

For me, the Kurzweil is much more synthesizer than workstation... you won't get these possibilities on other workstations. It has also more possibilities like for example a Nord Lead, which sounds very nice and has a nice user interface, but is rather limited in it's structure. Things like using functions are unique in the synth scene. Not all people may need that. But for those who do, it is a valuable toy to program sounds in a way which is away from the standards.
It's the unique combination of a universal sampler and a powerful synthesis engine.

Just my 2 cents.

[Enigma™]

oh, and Triton has the moss expansion which IS synthesis...kurzweil just uses sampled waveforms...


not exaclty.. there are algorithms that generate oscillators via DSP.

is that a special mode or what? (talking about kurzweil of course)

If you don't know what a DSP generator in a Kurzweil is, that leads me to believe that you have NO fucking idea what's in it/is capable of and therefore this thread is completely retarded. This arguement isn't going to go anywhere and is only going to piss people off.



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