JordansRudeass style keyboard or Warr

[riadsala]

What do you recommend?

I tihnk I buy and learn one of these:

http://www.warrguitars.com/artist.html

I've always found keyboards a little bit to heavy to carry about. I'm not big enough to have my own roadie and groupies yet.

But I thought a 10 string guitar wouldbe more prog and rock?

Or should I buy a new keyboard ?

[ImaX]

Looks interesting - but if you're just starting to learn an instrument (or did I get you wrong?)... forget it. Start on a normal guitar and change to one of those in some years :wink: it's like learning to fly directly on a Jumbo Jet or so...

[Luca_Capozzi]

get a stick and a midi pickup.. plug it into your synth and lets rock :D

[riadsala]

get a stick and a midi pickup.. plug it into your synth and lets rock :D


Me and you both baby.

[Kurzweilfreak]

This is a pretty dumb thread. The question is "should I play guitar or keyboard", which I think the answer to it is pretty obvious: do you wanna sound like a guitarist or a keyboardist?

:roll:

Dave, school these n00bs please.

[Purator]

This is a pretty dumb thread. The question is "should I play guitar or keyboard", which I think the answer to it is pretty obvious: do you wanna sound like a guitarist or a keyboardist?

:roll:

Dave, school these n00bs please.

the guy can play both...it's not like he wants to choose what to learn...

[Enigma™]

Accidently locked - someone told me this thread wasn't "appropriate" and I didn't really get a chance to look at it -
Thread Unlocked lol

[riadsala]

This is a pretty dumb thread. The question is "should I play guitar or keyboard", which I think the answer to it is pretty obvious: do you wanna sound like a guitarist or a keyboardist?

:roll:

Dave, school these n00bs please.

excuse me, but what is you're problem?

I CAN already play music, have been playing since I was 10 years old. Have played in youth orchestras and my uni big band.

I'm interested in expanding my palette so to speak.

I would have expected forum members on a prog rock keyboard forum of all people to realise that there's no such thing as a "piano" of "guitar" sound anymore.

Just listen to Fripp play in the ConstruKction of Light where his guitar sounds like a piano.

Or John Scofield playing in his recent Uberjam and Up All Night albums where his guitar sound is so messed up it could easliy be a analouge synth.

So, what's wrong with asking for the advice and experience of learneded forum members here? As Warr Guitars (like Chapman Sticks) are quite rare and not many people have heard of them. I thought that some people here would, and might be able to make some comments on how they compare to keyboard technique.

And the idea behind it is quite similar. you use both hands to play seperate parts, liek a piano.

peace, love and jazz

[j0E_Tokyo]

can this be done on a normal guitar with two hands? can you have two plectrums and play both ends? would this make it sound like a piano? im sorry if im stupid

[riadsala]

can this be done on a normal guitar with two hands? can you have two plectrums and play both ends? would this make it sound like a piano? im sorry if im stupid

you can do. but a warr has more strings. and more and faster is always good. isn't it.

check out

http://www.warrguitars.com/video.html

if you don't know what one is.

[Enigma™]

man, that guitar/bass is AWESOME!!
It's like, a bass and guitar too. I want one. :)

It'd be hella easier to record albums and stuff with - wouldn't have to jump back and forth if you had an idea for guitar/bass parts!

Neat. I wonder how much they are.

[j0E_Tokyo]

i liked the video i download the rune orgin of water one. it looks like a very difficult instrument to play and im sure that the player will get better if he practices every day because it seemed like he played some of the very fast notes not in time. the whole thing sounds a bit like this very underground banmd called the orzac tentacles or something. becuse the notes are played very fast in parts even though it was only 3 minutes long it seemed to go on for much longer. thats what i like about dt becuase you buy the cd which is £16 but you get your moneys worth because the music seems to go on for much longer than a normal cd but it is only psyicological

[Purator]

ultimately cool thing....that warr...

thats what i like about dt becuase you buy the cd which is £16 but you get your moneys worth because the music seems to go on for much longer than a normal cd but it is only psyicological

yeah, same here....that's why DT rocks... :!: 8)

[riadsala]

that why I don't like Dark Side of the Moon.

you put it on, there are some pretty guitar solos and pretensious lyrics, and before you know it and made your self a cup of tea, it's finished.

I don't think Pink Floyd are a real prog band anyway. Just trumped up pretty blues soloing.

Anyway, this is OT.

Although Tony Levin did some session work for Floyd, and he plays stick and in Crimson, and was replced (and has now replaced) Trey Gunn.

Who is the main warr man.

Do you think more strings are better? Or less?

If you have less, that's less wrong notes you can play? Maybe?

I'm not sure.

Has anybody played one before? Luckily the american dollar is crashing and worth very little just now, so I can import one for not to much :D

[Enigma™]

in either case, it seems very similar to the chapman stick, unless you get one of the Warr guitars that are like... They have the thickest strings that go right through to guitar strings... That's the one I'd prefer - It's like a bass and guitar on one fretboard :)

[riadsala]

in either case, it seems very similar to the chapman stick, unless you get one of the Warr guitars that are like... They have the thickest strings that go right through to guitar strings... That's the one I'd prefer - It's like a bass and guitar on one fretboard :)


Yes, same idea as a chapman stick. but I think they look far better. There's somthing cool and functional looking about a stick, but Warr's have nice curves. And I can put it on a stahnd next to my basses.

I think 10 strings sounds a happy number.

[Kurzweilfreak]

Guys, should I eat this orange or this apple? :roll:

[Purator]

Guys, should I eat this orange or this apple? :roll:

have an apple... :roll:

[riadsala]

or an orange.

actually, there's a good chance you can afford to buy one of each.


But, most people can't affrod to go buy a custom guitar and top end synth atthe same time.

Hence they like to ask advice about it. maybe not for you, but for me $4000 is a lot of moeny to spend on a guitar, and I want to ask around and get advice from knowledgable people who know music.

[Kurzweilfreak]

They are two totally different instruments that do two totally different things and are played two totally different ways (strings and keys), even if you are using two hands to play it. :roll:

So that's not really a question anyone can answer except yourself and your own pocketbook. Maybe a better analogy than fruit would be asking should I buy a ferrari or a tow-truck. Hence, I don't see how this thread makes much sense at all. :?:

[riadsala]

They are two totally different instruments that do two totally different things and are played two totally different ways (strings and keys), even if you are using two hands to play it. :roll:

So that's not really a question anyone can answer except yourself and your own pocketbook. Maybe a better analogy than fruit would be asking should I buy a ferrari or a tow-truck. Hence, I don't see how this thread makes much sense at all. :?:


I would say that the playing technique for a Warr Guitar has far more in commen with a keyboard than it does with a normal guitar (given that there's no plucking or strumming invloved). And the two hands work indendantly both playing different parts like on a piano.

[Purator]

They are two totally different instruments that do two totally different things and are played two totally different ways (strings and keys), even if you are using two hands to play it. :roll:

So that's not really a question anyone can answer except yourself and your own pocketbook. Maybe a better analogy than fruit would be asking should I buy a ferrari or a tow-truck. Hence, I don't see how this thread makes much sense at all. :?:


I would say that the playing technique for a Warr Guitar has far more in commen with a keyboard than it does with a normal guitar (given that there's no plucking or strumming invloved). And the two hands work indendantly both playing different parts like on a piano.

I have to say that you're right ,riad...as the Chapman stick (very similar to a Warr) website stated: "a stick is for everyone...a keyboardist, guitarist, a drummer or anyone else"...it really combines both world...

so the correct question would be:
Do you want an apple or a apple-orange hybrid...

[Tigerfolly]

Although Tony Levin did some session work for Floyd, and he plays stick and in Crimson, and was replced (and has now replaced) Trey Gunn.

Who is the main warr man.

Do you think more strings are better? Or less?

If you have less, that's less wrong notes you can play? Maybe?

I'm not sure.

Has anybody played one before? Luckily the american dollar is crashing and worth very little just now, so I can import one for not to much :D

Amerika itself is crashing and worth very little right now ;) Take advantage!

As for the Warr and Chapman, I've played both and I prefer the Chapman myself, but it's definitely a personal preference thing. I had the opportunity to buy a 12 string Chapman, but it was $1,000 for an instrument that just wouldn't get much of my playing time. I've never had the desire to do everything on one instrument.. I'd rather learn other instruments and do everything that way.. so at a point in my bass playing career I stopped focusing on just the bass and picked up other instruments instead. If I wouldn't have done that, I'd probably be a pretty insane bass player right now.. but I like being a pretty good bassist, guitarist, guitar-synthist, drummer, producer, and budding keyboardist instead :)

I'm still of the school of thought that one unused string is one string too many. I would never play a 6 string bass when a 5 string bass would do. I'd never play a 5 or 6 if the part could be played on a 4.. etc. The same logic would apply to the Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar. It really comes down to what you're going to be doing with it and your personal style.

I personally wouldn't recommend the Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar to anyone unless they're already a guitarist or bassist who has a pretty solid grasp of the concepts of two hand tapping. Yes, you're using two hands independantly like on a piano, but the mechanics of playing keys and tapping a string instrument aren't similar at all. Plus, like every instrument there's a history and style already there.. most are adapted from other instruments, like guitar and bass. Some patterns and riffs are simple for any guitarist or bassist to play on a Chapman or Warr, but would be very difficult for someone without that background. Plus, both instruments are difficult to play with clean and proper technique.. so prepare for a lot of woodshedding.

There aren't many individuals out there who have a clear vision for how to use these instruments. Maybe that's what makes 'em a little "special".. but definitely weigh all of the options before you pick one up. Your mileage may vary.

-TF

[Scrap]

Although Tony Levin did some session work for Floyd

Sorry, no. Never happened. You've been misinformed. Any bass work that Roger couldn't handle was done by Gilmour (such as the fretless in Hey You). Post-Waters, Gilmour and Guy Pratt have handled recording bass. And if you actually paid attention to the Floyd, you'll notice that Gilmour hardly ever uses the blues scale purely, though it is featured in one of their most well known sounds (Shine On). Anyway, yes, this is OT, and you're still fucking stupid. :P

-Scrap, your resident Floyd expert. :P

[riadsala]

Although Tony Levin did some session work for Floyd

Sorry, no. Never happened. You've been misinformed. Any bass work that Roger couldn't handle was done by Gilmour (such as the fretless in Hey You). Post-Waters, Gilmour and Guy Pratt have handled recording bass. Anyway, yes, this is OT, and you're still fucking stupid. :P

-Scrap, your resident Floyd expert. :P


Fuck me you little fucking stupid little coksucker.

Mr Scrap, the resident Flyd Expert, I quote, word by word, from the SLEEVE NOTES of Echo's, the best of Pink Floyd:


Sorrow (Gilmour)

Vocal: David Gilmour
Drum programmed by David Gilmour
Additional Keyboards: Jon Carin
Bass: Tony Levin
Backing Vocals: Darlene Koldenhaven, Carmen Twillie, Phyllis St. James and Donnie Gerrard

Taken from [i]A Momentary Lapse of Reason[\i]
Produced by David Gilmour and Bob Ezrin
Released 1987



I admit, I don't own an actual copy of A Momentary Lapse of Reason, I only own Dark Side Of The Moon, Meddle, Wish You Where Here, Piper At The Gates of Dawn, Division Bell.

But I don't understand why the offical Pink Floyd Best Of, compiled by the members of the band themselves, (I heard an interview with Gilmour when it came on), would sight Tony Levin as playing on a Floyd album when he didn't?

Seems a bit strange, no?

You fucking dick. So, don't you fucking swear at me telling me I'm talking rubbish.

If you want to say that A Momentary Lapse of Reason isn't a floyd album, well, according to Amazon it's a Floyd album.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000025078/ref=pd_sim_pm_dp_1/026-4956535-6635665

Also, if you care to check out the discography of Tony Levin, (his offical one on his Papabear website)
http://www.papabear.com/tldiscog.htm

Do a search for Pink Floyd if you can't be bothered reading it all:

Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse of Reason Columbia 1987

And, to quote the Pink Floyd Database:

Tony Levin

Musician, bass guitarist

Tony Levin has played with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson for many years but has now started releasing solo albums. Levin has also played with Alice Cooper, Lou Reed, Paul Simon, Bryan Ferry, Ringo Starr, John Lennon and Yes.

Tony Levin played in studio sessions with Pink Floyd on A Momentary Lapse of Reason. He has also performed live with David Gilmour at the Les Paul tribute concert (available on video) and Roger Waters live at Seville Guitar Legends Festival, 1991.

http://pinkfloydhyperbase.dk/who/l.htm

I admit, the web isn't the best place to get information, but, The fucking album credits him with playing on the track.


So



Sorry, no. Never happened. You've been misinformed.

Anyway, yes, this is OT, and you're still fucking stupid. :P

-Scrap, your resident Floyd expert. :P

Fuck off you daft cunt.

[Luca_Capozzi]

Although Tony Levin did some session work for Floyd

Sorry, no. Never happened. You've been misinformed. Any bass work that Roger couldn't handle was done by Gilmour (such as the fretless in Hey You). Post-Waters, Gilmour and Guy Pratt have handled recording bass. Anyway, yes, this is OT, and you're still fucking stupid. :P

-Scrap, your resident Floyd expert. :P


Fuck me you little fucking stupid little coksucker.

Mr Scrap, the resident Flyd Expert, I quote, word by word, from the SLEEVE NOTES of Echo's, the best of Pink Floyd:


Sorrow (Gilmour)

Vocal: David Gilmour
Drum programmed by David Gilmour
Additional Keyboards: Jon Carin
Bass: Tony Levin
Backing Vocals: Darlene Koldenhaven, Carmen Twillie, Phyllis St. James and Donnie Gerrard

Taken from [i]A Momentary Lapse of Reason[\i]
Produced by David Gilmour and Bob Ezrin
Released 1987



I admit, I don't own an actual copy of A Momentary Lapse of Reason, I only own Dark Side Of The Moon, Meddle, Wish You Where Here, Piper At The Gates of Dawn, Division Bell.

But I don't understand why the offical Pink Floyd Best Of, compiled by the members of the band themselves, (I heard an interview with Gilmour when it came on), would sight Tony Levin as playing on a Floyd album when he didn't?

Seems a bit strange, no?

You fucking dick. So, don't you fucking swear at me telling me I'm talking rubbish.

If you want to say that A Momentary Lapse of Reason isn't a floyd album, well, according to Amazon it's a Floyd album.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000025078/ref=pd_sim_pm_dp_1/026-4956535-6635665

Also, if you care to check out the discography of Tony Levin, (his offical one on his Papabear website)
http://www.papabear.com/tldiscog.htm

Do a search for Pink Floyd if you can't be bothered reading it all:

Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse of Reason Columbia 1987

And, to quote the Pink Floyd Database:

Tony Levin

Musician, bass guitarist

Tony Levin has played with Peter Gabriel and King Crimson for many years but has now started releasing solo albums. Levin has also played with Alice Cooper, Lou Reed, Paul Simon, Bryan Ferry, Ringo Starr, John Lennon and Yes.

Tony Levin played in studio sessions with Pink Floyd on A Momentary Lapse of Reason. He has also performed live with David Gilmour at the Les Paul tribute concert (available on video) and Roger Waters live at Seville Guitar Legends Festival, 1991.

http://pinkfloydhyperbase.dk/who/l.htm

I admit, the web isn't the best place to get information, but, The fucking album credits him with playing on the track.


So



Sorry, no. Never happened. You've been misinformed.

Anyway, yes, this is OT, and you're still fucking stupid. :P

-Scrap, your resident Floyd expert. :P

Fuck off you daft cunt.

:shock: a bit nervous?

[riadsala]

No.

I'm just right.

[Cloak]

No.

I'm just right.
Wow, maybe, but you made everybody think you're an ass for not only flying off the handle but for attacking another forum member. Why get so acidic?

[riadsala]

No.

I'm just right.
Wow, maybe, but you made everybody think you're an ass for not only flying off the handle but for attacking another forum member. Why get so acidic?


Because, he was a pretenious bastard. Who first suggested that I was wrong. And secondly called my fucking stupid.

But, I was correct when I said that Levin had played with Floyd. So, I don't know why I deserve to insulted in the first place.

You lot are very clique.

[Purator]

You lot are very clique.

very...

[Cloak]

No.

I'm just right.
Wow, maybe, but you made everybody think you're an ass for not only flying off the handle but for attacking another forum member. Why get so acidic?
Because, he was a pretenious bastard. Who first suggested that I was wrong. And secondly called my fucking stupid.
...and there was a smiley to show that he was joking around. And it's still no reason to call him a "fucking stupid little coksucker [sic]". I guarantee you all it would've taken was for you to say, "Actually, look, here's proof of what I was saying," and he would have said "Wow, I'm sorry, I stand corrected."

Diplomacy is NOT dead, despite what everyone thinks to the contrary.

[riadsala]

No.

I'm just right.
Wow, maybe, but you made everybody think you're an ass for not only flying off the handle but for attacking another forum member. Why get so acidic?
Because, he was a pretenious bastard. Who first suggested that I was wrong. And secondly called my fucking stupid.
...and there was a smiley to show that he was joking around. And it's still no reason to call him a "fucking stupid little coksucker [sic]". I guarantee you all it would've taken was for you to say, "Actually, look, here's proof of what I was saying," and he would have said "Wow, I'm sorry, I stand corrected."

Diplomacy is NOT dead, despite what everyone thinks to the contrary.


Well, I apologise then.

But, maybe he should lay off using that sort of language if he doesnt want to offend people and have them use similar language back at him.

and maybe he should think more about what he says before claiming to be a resident Floyd Expert.

I'm going to listen to Erotomania to cheer myself up after all of this.

[Enigma™]

okay.

2 things:

Scrap - Yes, there are more tactful ways to approach something like this and you know better.

riadsala - Yes, Scrap was joking however there are also more tactful ways of replying to this. Using hatred as a method of response is not what we try and employ here and it is not appropriate. ESPECIALLY not in this forum. Swearing can get past me for the most part but a personal attack is a completely bannable offence.

To both of you.


This is warning - should it progress, that's up to you.
Scrap - Need to make it more clear that you're joking, because I get the impression that part of you wasn't. Either case, that's a warning here. Also make sure you are 100% correct before bashing someone.
Riadsala - You have a problem with what someone says, PM me BEFORE you reply. Another reply like that to something man, I WILL ban whoever's involved. (I'm starting a trial thing with temporary bans like on the MP forum. They're easier to get, but you're also allowed back in eventually)

I'm not going to lock this thread too, I'd like to see the two of you work something out.

Are we clear?

[Scrap]

A Momentary Lapse of Reason is not a Floyd album if it's written by just one member of the band. :P

This is fucking hilarious, btw. :P

And yes, I am the biggest pretentious bastard in the whole world. I fucking know everything, and everyone else is always wrong, and you're nothing but a small shit stain on my Tighty Whities. :P

*waves the I Don't Give a Shit If I'm Banned flag*

[riadsala]

Well, it appears on The Best Of, and on the Floyd Discography, and is catalouged under Pink Floyd in shops. And the band played songs off it.

That's good enough for it to be a Floyd Album for me.