What about the Kurzweil PC1X?

[Pedrokey]

What do you think about this controller?
Is a cheap version of th PC2X I guess-

How are the sounds? Do you know where can I listen to samples?

PC1X Vs. SP88X

thanks...

[maJ estY]

I think that the PC2s are only the new version of the PC1 - I think you get good information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

[Kurzweilfreak]

I posted a good review of our new PC1X here on Sonikmatter:

http://community.sonikmatter.com/synth/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000613

[Pedrokey]

I think that the PC2s are only the new version of the PC1 - I think you get good information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

I didn't found any information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

[stradivarius]

I think that the PC2s are only the new version of the PC1 - I think you get good information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

I didn't found any information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

Try Kurzweil Europe's website: www.kurzweil.dk. I Think they have some information about it.

[maJ estY]

Oh, I'm sorry, Pedro - I thought they infos on every synth... :?

[maJ estY]

Hey, I really LOVE the programming of the kurzweil.dk site, especially the transparent navigation!!! :o
Awesome!

[Pedrokey]

Thanks for your help!
Anyone knows why www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com don't have any information about the PC1X? :?

[maJ estY]

I don't know. Maybe it's too old? But I actually can't imagine that... Just ask them! ;)

[Pedrokey]

I don't know. Maybe it's too old? But I actually can't imagine that... Just ask them! ;)

hehe
Jan! You are trying to get more post than Frank! I know You! :P :lol:

[maJ estY]

No, I don't :oops: (at least not in this topic :twisted:
I just wanted to help you, even though I have to say that I don't know THAT much about Kuzrzweil keyboards. I know their homepage though!

[ShagWill]

Hey ... please !

You should know that the PC1X is newer than the PC2X... it was announced at the last year AES if my memory serves well.

William

[musicjon]

Emailed Kurzweil, here's the reply:

Thank you for your interest in Kurzweil products.

The PC1X has the same piano sound as the PC2X, which is the same as the 2600 with ROM 3 added.** A stock 2600 without ROM3 has only the hard strike set of samples. ROM 3 for the 2600 addes the medium and soft strike set of samples.* The PC2 and PC1X has all three, so it is a "triple strike" piano - a separate set of samples for hard, medium, and soft strike (velocity).

The action is very similar to that of a 2600X.

The Orchestral ROM* is exactly the same for the PC2X and PC1X.

The PC1X has the same set of programs as the PC2, but without the KB3 mode programs. I copied a partial list below.

If I can be of further assistance, please let me know.
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The PC1X has just begun shipping to dealers. Dealers should have them within a few weeks.

The action of the PC1X is VERY similar to the PC2X - it is an 88 note, fully weighted action. The only difference is that the keyboard in the PC2X is made with a stronger type of plastic, so you'll be less likely to break keys if you drop it, etc.

The PC1X has the same base ROM programs as the PC2, but it does not have KB3 mode.

The PC1X weighs 51 lbs without packaging.

PC1X Dimensions:

Height: 4-5/16": (110mm)
Width: 47 - 7/8" (1220mm)
Depth: 14 - 3/16" (360mm)


The features of PC-1X:

Base 256+Orchestra 128+GM 128 programs and 64 setups
88 note TP30 AFT with mono pressure keyboard
Pitch and mod wheels in the cheek block
MIDI In, Out, and Thru
64 voice polyphony without polyphony expansion option
Arpeggiator
User controllable EQ
2x20 character LCD display
1 dual switch pedal input
1 expression pedal input
1 Super ribbon controller input
4 zones in the setup mode
4 assignable switches and knobs
1 balanced, stereo analog output
1 headphone jack
32MB of sample ROM (4 64Mb chips)
1 16MB sample ROM expansion slots
Flash Engine ROM which can be updated over MIDI




Comparison Chart between PC-1X and PC2X:

Keyboard Action:
PC1X - (88 notes - fully weighted action) Fatar TP-30 AFT
PC2X - (88 notes - fully weighted action) Fatar TP-10 MDF AFT

Sound Engine Features:

Polyphony:
PC1X - 64 note polyphonic
PC2X - 64 note polyphonic, expandable up to 128

OS update:
PC1X - Yes
PC2X - Yes

Sample ROM:
PC1X - 32MB (because the Orchestral ROM is included)
PC2X - 16MB

Sample Option Slots:
PC1X - 1 (16MB)
PC2X - 2 (32MB)

Polyphony Expansion:
PC1X - No
PC2X - Yes

Number of Programs:
PC1X - 512
PC2X - 256, expandable up to 640

Number of Setups:
PC1X - 64
PC2X - 32

Arpeggiator:
PC1X - Yes
PC2X - Yes

Voice Editing:
PC1X - No voice parameters, Except for entry value captures
PC2X - 3 Sound Parameters

Setup Editing:
PC1X - 7 Zone Parameters
PC2X - 7 Zone Parameters

FX Editing:
PC1X - Limited (No FX Parameters)
PC2X - KDFX based FX

Global EQ:
PC1X - Yes
PC2X - Yes

Number of Zones:
PC1X - 4
PC2X - 4

KB3 mode:
PC1X - No
PC2X - Yes

Slider Controller:
PC1X - 2
PC2X - 4

User Interface:

Switch Controllers:
PC1X - 4
PC2X - 5

CC Pedals:
PC1X - 1
PC2X - 2

Switch Pedals:
PC1X - 2
PC2X - 3

Digital Output:
PC1X - None
PC2X - 1 (SPDIF)

Ribbon Controller:
PC1X - 1 (optional)
PC2X - 1 (optional)

Breath Controller:
PC1X - None
PC2X - 1 (optional)

Pitch & Mod Wheel:
PC1X - Yes
PC2X - Yes

Display:
PC1X - 2x20 LCD
PC2X - 2x20 LCD

Number of Buttons:
PC1X - 33
PC2X - 76

Power & Audio Features:

Audio Circuitary:
PC1X - Balanced
PC2X - Balanced

Power Supply:
PC1X - 9V AC**
PC2X - 9V DC, 14V AC
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Below is a partial list of sounds of the PC1X.* Bank 0, and Bank 2 (Orchestral ROM).* I do not have a list for Bank 6, but the PC1X will have this bank as well.


Bank 0:

0 Stereo Grand
1 Classic Grand
2 Dynamic Grand
3 Warm Grand
4 Solo Grand Piano
5 Concert Grand
6 Mono Grand Piano
7 Piano for layers
8 Hard Rock Piano
9 Rock Grand
10 Grand Piano 440
11 Mono Stage Piano
12 Dyn Stage Piano
13 Ragtime Piano
14 Tack Piano
15 Piano & Strings
16 Classic E Piano
17 Serious Classic
18 That 70's E Pno
19 Hard E Piano
20 Lounge* E Piano
21 Dnyo My E Pno
22 Soft E Piano
23 Hybrid E Piano
24 My Best Wurly
25 Big Red Wurly
26 Brkfst in Korea
27 Soft Wurly
28 Wurly Road
29 Pearly Keys
30 Digital E Piano
31 Ballad E Piano
32 C3PO
33 Digital E Grand
34 Rock E Grand
35 FantAsmAtron
36 Atmaz
37 Celestial Comet
38 Comp Time
39 Ruth Buzzy
40 Clav Classic
41 Touch Clav
42 Dual Wah Clav
43 Harpsichord
44 Modern Harpsi
45 Crystal Clavchd
46 Accordion
47 Celesta
48 The Reverend's
49 Ballad Of 3 Bars
50 Prog Rocker's B
51 All Out Full On
52 Grungy Overdrive
53 Uptown Gospel
54 Retro Roto
55 Pipe Organ
56 Big Brass
57 Saxes/ Trumpets
58 Split Section
59 Broadway Brass
60 Trombones
61 Bari / Tenor Sect
62 Solo Tenor Sax
63 Williams Brass
64 Lyrical Strings
65 Slow Strings
66 Marcato Strings
67 Layer Strings
68 Fast Strings
69 Touch Strings
70 Velocity Strings
71 Phantom Strings
72 Ooh>< Ahh
73 Doo><>Daa
74 Baa stacc. Bop
75 Doo stacc. Doop
76 Daa stacc. Dot
77 Scatman
78 The Croons
79 Cathedral Vox
80 Solar Lead
81 Vox Lead
82 Alazawi
83 Slo Wood Flute
84 Groove Bass
85 1/3 Pulse Bass
86 Sweeper Bass
87 Lowdown Bass
88 Rez Aah Pad
89 Crypt
90 Meteor Strings
91 Orch Pad
92 Neptune
93 Analogy
94 Dream Catcher
95 U Say Tomita...
96 Acoustic Guitar
97 Strummer 12 Str
98 Rich 6 String
99 12 String Guitar
100 Chorus Elec Gtr
101 Elec 12 String
102 Jazzy Frets
103 Lead Rock Gtr
104 Round and Wound
105 Punch Bass
106 Two Finger Bass
107 Dual- Tri Bass
108 Clav o' Bass
109 Fret Not Bass
110 Upright Bass 1
111 Upright Bass 2
112 Studio Drums 1+2
113 Studio Drums 3+4
114 Ambient Rock Kit
115 Coliseum Kit
116 Resonant Traps
117 Tripkit/ Trashkit
118 Beat Box
119 Electro Kit
120 Virtuoso Perc
121 Rhythm Maker
122 Woody Marimba
123 African Marimba
124 Vibes
125 New Fluid Vibes
126 Aborigine Jam
127 Drums 'n Bells

Bank 1 is the user bank.

Orchestral ROM:
Bank 2:

0 Fast Violin prs
1 Med Violin vib
2 Slow Violin p/v
3 Fast Viola prs
4 Med Viola prs
5 Slow Viola p/v
6 Fast Cello prs
7 Med Cello p/v
8 Slow Cello vib
9 Studio Cello
10 Studio Bass
11 Recital Bass
12 Slow Bass prs
13 Slow Bass vib
14 Slow String Orch
15 Studio Strings
16 Chamber Strings
17 Baroque Strings
18 Intense Strings
19 Staccato Strings
20 Fast Tremolando
21 Med Tremolando
22 Slow Tremolando
23 Vtrig Tremolando
24 Full Pizzicato
25 Medium Pizzicato
26 Dry Pizzicato
27 Solo Flute prs
28 Solo Flute vib
29 sfz Ens Flute
30 Solo Oboe
31 Slow Oboe
32 Ensemble Oboe
33 Solo Eng Hrn prs
34 English Horn vib
35 Slow EngHorn prs
36 Solo Clarinet
37 Slow Clarinet
38 Ens Clarinet
39 Solo Bassoon
40 Solo Bassoon vib
41 Ens Bassoon/Oboe
42 Solo Dbl Reeds
43 Soft Trumpet
44 Slow Soft Trp
45 Hard Trumpet
46 Slo Hard Trumpet
47 Slow Horn & Trp
48 Solo Fr Horn
49 Ensemble Fr Horn
50 Fr Horn Sect 1
51 Fr Horn Sect 2
52 Horn Section
53 Solo Trombone
54 Ensemble Bone
55 Solo Tuba
56 sfz Orch Tuba
57 Jazz Harmon Trp
58 Ballad Harmon Trp
59 sfz SoftTrp Sect
60 St Jazz Brass sw
61 sfz Jazz Brass
62 Stereo Brass sw
63 Solo Sax
64 Stolen Moments
65 Harmon Band
66 Slow Dyn Orch
67 Fast Dyn Orch
68 Total Orch 1
69 Total Orch 2
70 sfz Orch prs
71 Winds & ChmbStr
72 Winds & Strings
73 Horns & Strings
74 Woodwind Section
75 Reeds & Bells
76 Pizz & Timp
77 Cathedral Choir
78 Aah Choir prs
79 Mixed Choir
80 Choir from Above
81 DivineInterventn
82 Chapel Organ
83 Cathedral Organ
84 Pipes 16'8',reed
85 Full Pipes
86 Orch Harp
87 Stereo Solo Harp
88 Harp Oasis
89 Under Harp
90 Classical Guitar
91 Silky Nylons
92 Romantic Nylon
93 Mando-Lute
94 Orch Chimes
95 Stereo Chimes
96 Chime Bell
97 Chimes/Glock
98 Glockenspiel
99 Orch Celeste
100 Xylophone
101 Orch Percussion
102 Orch Timpani
103 Solo Timpani
104 Dynamic Timpani
105 Temple Blocks
106 Stereo Tam-tam
107 Trap Set
108 Modern Blockage
109 Beaty Drum
110 Cage's Ensemble
111 New Touch Perc
112 Perc & Blocks
113 Puppet Show Perc
114 Pop Can Perc
115 Onklungy Perc
116 Skullophones
117 Exotic Mallets
118 Acoustic Mbira
119 St Elec Mbira
120 Perc Harp
121 Pluck & Block
122 Hybrid Pluck
123 Bells/Mark Tree
124 Circus Glitter
125 Swing'n Chimes
126 Crystal Lagoon
127 Clang Clang

--

Denis Brunelle
Kurzweil Music Systems Sales Info

End of email.

So why buy a PC2X?

-Jon

[Over The Edge]

I find the Orchestral Rom block on the PC2 series
to be slightly better than that on the K2xx series.



FL
www.franklucas.net

[maJ estY]

Hey, musicjon! Thanks for your help! That was great!!! :o

[Pedrokey]

Thank You for all the information! :D

[musicjon]

No problem!

Seems strange that Kurzweil is so hush-hush about a new product. I have seen one ad for it, but it's non-existant on the internet.

On a side note, why is the Kurz site so fugly and outdated?

[mesavox]

oops...

I meant to say that I'm all over this one. It looks like the perfect compliment to my k2000(88 keys, kdfx, triple strike, orchestral w/ room for vintage rom) without having to spend 2k plus for it(especially since I love the VAST and can't afford a k2600 for a while).

[Kurzweilfreak]

I find the Orchestral Rom block on the PC2 series
to be slightly better than that on the K2xx series.

FL
www.franklucas.net

Not surprising, being that the Orchestral ROM for the K2xx series is from 1991 and uses 16-bit samples (although still incredibly good ones) while the PC series Orch ROM is from 2001(?) and uses new 24-bit samples.

[Pedrokey]

Ok!!!
I have the money!!
I don't know if I'm going to buy a PC2X or a PC1X!
What do you think?....
The PC1X have more sounds! but lighter keys...
I couldn't found your preview Togakure! Where is it?

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Ok!!!
I have the money!!
I don't know if I'm going to buy a PC2X or a PC1X!
What do you think?....
The PC1X have more sounds! but lighter keys...
I couldn't found your preview Togakure! Where is it?

These is weird I'd be following your post since you post it (2003) I'd have assumed that you have bought either a pc1x or a pc2....

I have a pc1-x and I think it's great. and about the keys I don't think they are "lighter" they seem fine to me I would'n want to them to be heavier.there are fine.

And If you have $2000 ( I'm assuming that cause you are deciding from a pc1-x and a pc2-x wich is like $1800...) I'd consider other board. just my opinion but I don't know what you're seraching for...

[Georges]

I think that the PC2s are only the new version of the PC1 - I think you get good information on www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com

Nope, the PC2s came out earlier than the PC1X. The latter is rather a compromise between the SP88X and the PC2X.

[Pedrokey]

These is weird I'd be following your post since you post it (2003) I'd have assumed that you have bought either a pc1x or a pc2....

I have a pc1-x and I think it's great. and about the keys I don't think they are "lighter" they seem fine to me I would'n want to them to be heavier.there are fine.

And If you have $2000 ( I'm assuming that cause you are deciding from a pc1-x and a pc2-x wich is like $1800...) I'd consider other board. just my opinion but I don't know what you're seraching for...

Yes!.. I'm thinking about that.. I found a Yamaha S90 at the same price as the Kurzweil PC2X ...I like it sounds, the synth engine, the expansions bu I'm worried about the polyphony.. it have 64 voices of polyphony and I don't know if the polyphony technology works as the Kurzweil true polyphony....

Someone can help me? I have my pre-pay card! So, I will subscribe to the online conservatory as well!

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

Yes!.. I'm thinking about that.. I found a Yamaha S90 at the same price as the Kurzweil PC2X ...I like it sounds, the synth engine, the expansions bu I'm worried about the polyphony.. it have 64 voices of polyphony and I don't know if the polyphony technology works as the Kurzweil true polyphony....

Someone can help me? I have my pre-pay card! So, I will subscribe to the online conservatory as well!

maybe a k2500 used.

[Pedrokey]

I was looking for the K2500X used.. But I'm afraid of the used gear... I live in Venezuela and it is very difficult ($) to return it.
I like the Yamaha S90 but I don't like its polyphony...
I like the Kurzweil PC2X but I can't edit the sounds.. I prefer the Yamaha S90 sounds...

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

I was looking for the K2500X used.. But I'm afraid of the used gear... I live in Venezuela and it is very difficult ($) to return it.
I like the Yamaha S90 but I don't like its polyphony...
I like the Kurzweil PC2X but I can't edit the sounds.. I prefer the Yamaha S90 sounds...

Well In the PCx series I don't think they have the True poliphony like the K2*** that you have 4 oscillator per voice. So I think that would be great.BUt If you're looking for a master controller I think a PC1-x would be enough but I think you're not 'cause you're asking for sounds. COnsidering that you already own a K2000, I'd buy the Yamaha or a k2500xs. Cause I don't think pc2-x sounds are greater than the k2000 excepts for strings and those things....

[Pedrokey]

Well In the PCx series I don't think they have the True poliphony like the K2*** that you have 4 oscillator per voice. So I think that would be great.BUt If you're looking for a master controller I think a PC1-x would be enough but I think you're not 'cause you're asking for sounds. COnsidering that you already own a K2000, I'd buy the Yamaha or a k2500xs. Cause I don't think pc2-x sounds are greater than the k2000 excepts for strings and those things....

ejem... I don't have the K2000 :( ... Where can I find the K2500X new? ...

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

ejem... I don't have the K2000 :( ... Where can I find the K2500X new? ...

and wich kurzweil do you own!?

[RayMan]

ejem... I don't have the K2000 :( ... Where can I find the K2500X new? ...
If my mind serves me right, the K2500-series have been discontinued, so your best choice is getting a used one. Or maybe a new K2600X. Sorry.

[Pedrokey]

I don't have any keyboard... I had a Korg X5D...

I'm afraid of buying an used keyboard...

[Pedrokey]

I have this quiestion:

The Yamaha S90 have 64 voices of polyphony and a voice can be made of 4 elements (wave samples)... So, If I have a Voice made of 4 elements my polyphony is of 16 notes? (64/4??)

[EloHiR ElEnDIl]

I don't have any keyboard... I had a Korg X5D...

I'm afraid of buying an used keyboard...

and the kurzweil of the pic...?:S!!....
I don't think you should be worry I was going to buy an used one on ebay and I'm from El Salvador.
And the poliphony thing yeah that's how it works.

[Pedrokey]

and the kurzweil of the pic...?:S!!....
I don't think you should be worry I was going to buy an used one on ebay and I'm from El Salvador.
And the poliphony thing yeah that's how it works.

thanks man! wow!.. very little polyphony!...
I'm going to investigate the ebay thing...

Who has bought in ebay in this forum? any comments? thank you very much for the information! by the way..