I'm a dumbass...a few questions...

[Geo_Van_Deaq]

I have a few questions about gear and software...

1. synthesis, I have no experience, so I'm not gonna get something like a motif es 8 just yet although I saw one on ebay for £700 with 2 days to go....anyway I'm undecided between the Yamaha S90 and the Kork Triton Le. I've managed to have a short play on the Triton which seemed very dance orientated so I'm not too sure about it but I havent had a chance to try out the s90

suggestions?

2. Thinking about getting a mixer, the one I'm looking at is the Behringer EURORACK UB1204FX-PRO which I could get through school for about £100, will be mainly used for recording, in the future maybe gigs. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I don't know much about the mixer market.

3. I recently got a copy of a synth program called Reason 2.5 from a friend to try it out, does anybody know anything about it? I can't use it yet since he didn't give me the 1st disk for some reason, so I'll get that soon.

:D Alright!

[pHaTaL_eRrOr]

Although my playing skills aren't up to par with most in here, I'm fairly affluent with reason 2.5. It's a great program as it relates to soft synths and loops, but I've found that the sequencer is lacking. If you want to do your midi sequencing with a software based setup, I'd say Cubase SX 2 is the best bang for the buck. There's bigger and better, but this is in the affordable price range for us amateurs.

Feel free to im me @ jkcavenaugh@hotmail.com w/ msn messenger and I'll be happy to discuss.

I think there are many more qualified opinions here as far as the synths go than mine...

Good luck

[Over The Edge]

Reason is an awesome program if you're
computer-bound. It's very easy to use and
especially if you're into electronica/trance
you'll find it a powerful tool in creating music
which could have come right out of the
Matrix series.


FL
www.franklucas.net

[Geo_Van_Deaq]

any thoughts on the first two questions?

[Deceit]

Hey,
first of all, a good 70% of the computer software and its functions ARE dance/electronica/thatgarbagetheykeepcallingmusicwherenooneplaysasin glenoteandthesequencersdotherest-oriented. Reason isn't different, although you can think of setting up synth patches you could use. The only software I'm using now is a VST host, EnergyXT, together with SynthOne (free, fantastic NL2 emulation), B4 (Native Instruments, simply the best soft organ emulation ever - probably best among hardware as well) and Tube (Antares), this soon to be turned into a hardware Behringer MIC200.
The FM7 is a nice software emulation as well, but it's too long to get into FM synthesis and I simply can't do it in front of a computer.
ReFX has some nice biting leads software as well...but the presets are, as obvious, dance oriented.
This is a phenomenon seen in hardware as well - the flagships of every single brand out there (exception made for the horrible Kurzweil presets) are 80% dance/seebefore preset beats. Of course, keyboards are fundamental to that kind of music and no one thinks of rock...well, in fact Alesis does, and the presets are GOLD if you like just turning on the keyboard and jamming over rock songs...check out the QS 6.2, the price is REALLY low! WAY better if you find a 6.1 on eBay anyway, it has 2 expansion slots against the single in 6.2...
By the way, I want a V-Synth. Let's stop volunteering physics and computer science lessons.
Deceit.

[Geo_Van_Deaq]

no can do with the alesis 6.2, I need weighted keys :D but I did have a look at the 8.2 and didn't hear very good things, I'll still check it out and see for myself at some stores if I can, but I want something that will last me a while trying to get to grips with synthesis, (which I know nothing of) and I can afford better (my limit is £1500).
It's good to hear about the rock orientated presets but I've already got some nice voices on my RD-170, I'd still like a larger selection, especially in strings and some more organ sounds, but I'm more focused on the ability to edit patches. I know I'm probably in no place to criticise since I've had no experience with synths, but I've heard much better things from the S90 and triton Le.

[merijn]

dance/electronica/thatgarbagetheykeepcallingmusicwherenooneplaysasin glenoteandthesequencersdotherest-oriented.


Hahahahaha! That's great man! You have just described it perfectly! Even my k2600 has some of that. The first 20 setups in the normal objects are really like that.

[Spock's Theater]

dance/electronica/thatgarbagetheykeepcallingmusicwherenooneplaysasin glenoteandthesequencersdotherest-oriented.Openminded people like you make me want to leave this board...

[Bastardo Demono]

dance/electronica/thatgarbagetheykeepcallingmusicwherenooneplaysasin glenoteandthesequencersdotherest-oriented.Openminded people like you make me want to leave this board...

yeah I agree with you, that was a pretty snobby and ignorant comment, don't assume you know what goes into the production of all electronic music when you dont know a damn thing

[Over The Edge]

Actually, I'm pretty 'Old School' where I'm more of a player
than a programmer any day of the week.

However, over the years I've grown to appreciate the sonic
possibilities that some programmers can achieve with synths.

Check out guys like BT or a track off the Matrix Reloaded sountrack
entitled Mona Lisa Overdrive and see if you still feel that way
after listening.

Just my 2 cents


FL
www.franklucas.net

[Geo_Van_Deaq]

Hey keep to the topic guys! :wink:

I really would appreciate your opinions on those two synths in comparison.

Thanks!

[lighthouse]

Reason 2,5 KICKS ASS!!! is one of the best programs ever made by men!!. I use it for almost all my songwriting, and is so versatile that you can mess almost every sample and sound you got from it. Also there are tons of sounds, called "Refills", you can buy to make your sound collection even more versatile!


Juan Pablo

[augerinn]

1. Get a Rompler. A keyboard with sampled sounds. You can learn synthesis later.

2. Euro racks are OK. Great deal, as they're cheap. Most "Pros" tend to look down on them though as they're considered entry level.

3. Reason is great for dance and anything in 4/4. I have 1.0 (I don't know if they fixed this yet) and I had two major qualms. 1. Inability to switch meters during a song and 2. Inability to switch Tempo during a song.

[lighthouse]

. Reason is great for dance and anything in 4/4. I have 1.0 (I don't know if they fixed this yet) and I had two major qualms. 1. Inability to switch meters during a song and 2. Inability to switch Tempo during a song.


Well....what I do is that I "rewire it" thorugh Sonar 3, so any time and key change I make in Sonar is also made in Reason


Juan Pablo

[Geo_Van_Deaq]

Get a Rompler. A keyboard with sampled sounds

what's the between having preset sounds and sampled sounds to play
What the hell is a rompler?

[merijn]

Not an analog synth, but a synth with presets. With a ROM.