Did Jordan forget...

[mmichaelc]

...to switch sounds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cApffb_C63A

Did he forgot to switch to his lead sound or did he just feel like keeping it on the piano?

Also, the scream at 2:15 is great.

[zolhof]

Guess he didn't forget, maybe the keyboard switched two sounds instead of one (this happens with me all the time, it's a pain in..... and I can't find the reason)

Anyway, it sounded really cool with a piano patch!!

[Premetheus37]

Meh, tech problems happen all the time. Maybe he forgot, maybe he didn't, who knows? But more importantly...


Who cares? :tongue:

~Premetheus

[Enigma™]

Heh, that kind of thing happens - for me I'll switch sounds by accident.

Personally, I think he handled it like a true pro - didn't even phase him!

[Gianni]

Guess he didn't forget, maybe the keyboard switched two sounds instead of one (this happens with me all the time, it's a pain in..... and I can't find the reason)


I know! Happens to me too, sometimes, when I'm a bit distracted and I'm just mechanically playing and realize too late that the patch change is coming soon ... I just reach for the pedal and screw up by pressing quickly and skipping the patch.
Luckily I haven't done it live... yet.

EDIT: Just finished watching the vid, you can see Jordan reaching to the --> button. But it sounded cool actually.

[zolhof]

Heh, that kind of thing happens - for me I'll switch sounds by accident.

Personally, I think he handled it like a true pro - didn't even phase him!

Amen to that! I'm glad that happend, he did some beautiful phrases with the piano patch!

In my case isn't accident.. I just can't figure it out, sometimes the switch pedal (korg PS1) skips 2 or 3 sounds.

It's not the pedal's fault, I use the same pedal all the time with the PC3 and it works flawlessly! It's just with the Oasys...... any guesses? :/

[Enigma™]

MIDI duplication? User error?

If you send me your Oasys, I'd be happy to troubleshoot it for you ;-)

I can send back a K2500 in PERFECT working order - guaranteed not to patch skip more than intended :)

[Omega Monkey]

Korg and Kurzweil probably use opposite polarity pedals. There's usually a menu option (probably global/system) to change it.

[mmichaelc]

Yeah, I agree, it sounded nice with the piano.

[Christopher]

well, it sounds a bit like planned for he changed the bending to a nice piano phrase.
I never switched too much patches with my 2661, only it needs 2 clicks on the pedal to switch, except for the first switch.
But that he then switches patches with his hand indicates that the pedal fucked up... so WTF? Insane reactions JR!

[calmar]

I've got the same problem with my Oasys, sometimes it skips 2 sounds instead of 1, but I'm pretty sure it's the footswitch's fault. Like, by pressing it too quickly the contact is made twice so it skips 2 sounds...

I'm sure that's what happened in that video, because there is normally a piano sound after that lead solo, and you can see him changing the sound manually, so I'm pretty sure it was to return 1 patch back, because if he just forgot to switch the sound he would have used his footswitch to go the the next sound. And the patch he plays before the solo isn't piano only, it's piano with full strings and choir etc... So it wouldn't have sounded that way.

Dave

[St0rMl0rD]

With the Kurzweil, the thing is, if you have assigned the footswitch to change patches or setups to only one zone, it will switch once. If the same function is assigned in another zone, it will switch two setups, etc. Check your pedal configurations!

-J

[osiris]

It's good to know technical problems happen with the pro's as well!! :tongue:

I've got a new pedal recently (EV-5) and sometimes I'll use the sustain when doing large arpeggios and then retardedly forget to move my foot back to the patch pedal and I then press the sustain to change patches, and play a chord on the wrong patch...
I just need practise I guess

[zolhof]

As I said before, the pedal works fine with the Kurzweil. Never ever did change more than one sound. I've tried both polarities on the Oasys. Positive (not korg's default) goes insane and negative is the one to stick.

Those 2 or 3 skips (3 is VERY rare) are random. When I have some spare cash I'll get another pedal like Roland's FS-5U and test it.

[Christopher]

I actually use a Bespeco VM20 Sustain pedal and I'm very satisfied(actually I use 2^^)... with the K2661 I assign one as moment-sustain and the other as toggle-datainc and it works perfectly(except the fact that you have to push it 2 times, but that's easy to calculate in) *shrug*

[Enigma™]

I still tend to believe that it's a midi issue.

The Kurzweil doesn't seem to have that phenomenon, however the Oasys does... That being said - it could be an OS thing.

Based on what's being said though, I can safely regard it *NOT* a pedal issue. The pedal simply completes a circuit - it's up to the keyboard to interpret it.

I think anyone who has an Oasys that has this issue should send it to me for further troubleshooting. I'm positive I can find the root cause :)

[Premetheus37]

I have an M3 with the FS-5U pedal and sometimes mine skips if the cable is jiggled around too much. My chords are a bit tangly at the moment so if I move my sustain pedal around sometimes it'll skip a patch.

~Premetheus

[Nico]

Amen to that! I'm glad that happend, he did some beautiful phrases with the piano patch!

In my case isn't accident.. I just can't figure it out, sometimes the switch pedal (korg PS1) skips 2 or 3 sounds.

It's not the pedal's fault, I use the same pedal all the time with the PC3 and it works flawlessly! It's just with the Oasys...... any guesses? :/

I have exactly the same problem no solution yet. I am using the Boss fs-5u and i think it happens if a note on or off is send at the same moment you switch to the next patch. There was something about that topic on the german Korg forum. I will have a look at this tomorrow. Nico

[Nico]

ok I did some research but that topic was about another issue i had with my oasys caused by ground and voltage problems. I maybe have the solution for the problem. I think we all not assign the footswitch to "patch up" but to "value up". The patch up function might have a gate time but in the value up setting the oasys instantly reacts on each contact in the footwitch. And now the unprecise footwitch comes into play. Because the contact isnt precise enough the oasys does two or three switches. But this may be wanted if you use the value up for its desired function to step up a value quickly. this is the only reason I can think of that would explain the problem. Maybe Jordan himself could say something on this topic because he is defintly the one with the most experience using the footwitch this way on the oasys. Nico