My first synth: triton or k2600x!?

[FbeShox]

Hi people!

I have to buy a synth, i never played a synth, i played only piano...

I'm in doubt: i didn't understand the differences about Korg Triton Extreme and Kurzweil k2600x... In what is better triton and in what is better k2600x!?!?

With triton can i assign more sounds to a keys as kurzweil!?

You know if in programs korg and kurzweil have new best synth which will be release before Christmas!?!? :)


Tnx for the answers! :)

[ImaX]

I'm asking this question to myself everytime someone want to buy a Kurzweil or Triton, but has never used a synth before... in your position I'd buy neither the one nor the other.

Get yourself a "cheaper" synth, there are good synths with much enough options for you to play and program around (I started with the Korg N5, worked perfect). When you know what it's all about you an still get something bigger. IMO you shouldn't get the most complex at first, because you won't be able to use all options you've paid for.

Sorry, just my opinion :wink: if you still want to get one of those two I can just ay that the Kurzweil might have more possibilitys while the Korg has the better preset sounds.

[Enigma™]

Thank you.


Point is that you're not going to use EITHER synth if you're just starting to it's full capabilities, and starting with an "easier" one is good because you'll know when you outgrow it, if you ever do.

Start with maybe a Triton LE - They're still very cheap, decent sound quality, awesome effects, flexible and if you're serious about getting a SYNTH synth *like a complete workstation, not that the LE isn't* then you could look into the extreme or the 2600.

But I promise being new, unless you're a freak like me, and you got the 2600 you'd spend more time being frustrated not knowing how it works then you would actually making music with it. It's a HARD synth to master and it's also the most flexible synthesis available as well... so it's sort of... a double edged sword *Shrugs*

But there you have it :)

[FbeShox]

I don't have money for buy before a cheaper synth (which cost also much) and then another synth which cost much.. i played piano since i was 6, now i'm 17.. I can play in mre complex, in my zone is very difficult to found a keyboarder...


Retourning on my first question abount k2600x and triton extreme!? :)


Oh wait... I didn't want to say that I play piano or keyboard òoke nobody in the world, INDEED , I'm not a really good player for now, overall because now i don't like so much play on my piano and I should want finally play with my friends in a complex, then I need the right keyboard for play with them! :) I hope overall that ther will be the manual in italian! :D :D :D :D

Pls helm me! ;) ;) ;)


ps. for live triton le is also good!?

[Rexx]

If you plan on using the synth at home I'd buy the K2600x (Ok I realise I'm biased) :)
If you are going to use the synth for reheasal, home and gigs then get the Triton Extreme or something lighter (seriously the K2600x is unbelievably heavy)

For those just starting out with synthesis I agree it's better to start off with a simpler synth to a point but I owned 3 synths before I bought a K2500x and I doubt those synths really prepaired me much if at all.
Example#1: Your first synth is a Xp-10 and you figure out everything it can do in 2 months. You'll see some of the limitations.
Example#2: Your first synth is a K2600x and you spend years trying to grasp an instrument which has infinate possibilities.

One of the things I noticed about music is yearning for better gear, if you start with the best you have no synth to yearn for because you already have it. This in the long run doesn't help a young musician. You need passion in music.

Let me use a guitarist analogy;
A kid gets a beginner guitar and a cheap amp and works towards buying better gear, all the while dreaming of better gear and practicing, getting better.
A spoiled kid gets his parents to buy him a Marshall stack and a Ibanez 7 string Jem Universe and in having it all proceeds to not dream of gear. Often this kid doesn't progress like former.
I think it's a valid point to make because I've seen this over and over :P

[FbeShox]

If you plan on using the synth at home I'd buy the K2600x (Ok I realise I'm biased) :)
If you are going to use the synth for reheasal, home and gigs then get the Triton Extreme or something lighter (seriously the K2600x is unbelievably heavy)



Sorry, but my little english can't allow mw to understand this sentences... i didn't undestand gigs and rehesal! :)



But for live performances the Triton le how is!?!?

[Enigma™]

I've used it live and with the exception of the outputs being a touch hot *or really loud in comparison to most other synths* it seems to be pretty good - very reliable, I've never had a problem with it ;)

And I have both the 2500X and the Triton LE :)

[FbeShox]

If i understand you suggest me to buy the kurzweil... right!?

[hyeok]

I got as my first synth as the Kurzweil 2500x, and I loved it! The first couple of months I just played around with the presets and actually didn't do anything complex with it for a while.
Than, the Kurzweil manual found a home in my bathroom and has become my regular bathroom reading material! Ever since than, I've been really enjoying the elegant complexities the Kurzweil has to offer. When I saw Triton Extreme in the magazine, I kinda wished I hadn't bought the Kurzweil, but my royalties returned soon after. No Synth, I mean NO SYNTH could take me away from my Kurzweil! I love it so much. I especially get a thrill out of all the programming things! It's so much fun trying to figure things out. But then again, you might want to ignore this advice since my favorite subject in high scool was Chemistry. :roll:

[ktriton]

I say get neither and instead go for the CS6x. It's much cheaper and it's a great synth. It should be around $350-600 and if you go for the CS1x or 2x, you can probably find them for under $200! Great stuff all of them! Good luck finding them though :wink:

Although a Triton SE is not a bad idea either. I have a Triton rack and the sounds are incredible. Easy mapping for multis and combinations. Incredible control of the patches--from many different dynamic aspects. Although, you'll find that even though the synthesized sounds are great, the 'natural' voices aren't that great--the acoustic pianos are decent at best. It's definitely an option if you're going to be heavily using synths.

I've only had a little experience with the Kurzweil, but from what I gather, it's a MONSTER of a keyboard. Infinitely complex mapping and voice rendering matracies and a huge hard disk for memory. Personally, I don't think even I will be ready for that beast for quite some time.

What kind of music does your band play? There are different synths for different applications.

[Rexx]

Sorry, but my little english can't allow mw to understand this sentences... i didn't undestand gigs and rehesal! :)

But for live performances the Triton le how is!?!?

I spelled it wrong rehearsal = band practice
gig = live

My point was the K2600x is very heavy and back breaking to move.
I bought my K2500xs for home use only.

I never tried the triton Extreme so I can't comment on that synth.

[FbeShox]

Rexx.. and what synths do you have!?


Howeaver... I have to win to italian bingo (lotto) for buy the synth... :( Todoay i didn't win nothing! :) Next I hope to win something.... :) I have to preview 3 number! :)

[Rexx]

I have a K2500xs workstation, JV-1080 and a GR-1 guitar synth

Something I really enjoy is the sounds in the Kurzweil.
I often use Livemode and process everything I have thru that.
If I'm watching tv, vhs, dvd or listening to cds or playing guitar, singing...
I can control the audio with the large ribbon. :wink: Why? Why not?
It's awesome to play a trill and drop the pitch an octave.

I hear livemode used in all kinds of recordings and it gives me sounds that
were only possible before by manipulating reel to reel tape decks for effects.

[Deceit]

I don't have money for buy before a cheaper synth (which cost also much) and then another synth which cost much.. i played piano since i was 6, now i'm 17.. I can play in mre complex, in my zone is very difficult to found a keyboarder...


Retourning on my first question abount k2600x and triton extreme!? :)


Oh wait... I didn't want to say that I play piano or keyboard òoke nobody in the world, INDEED , I'm not a really good player for now, overall because now i don't like so much play on my piano and I should want finally play with my friends in a complex, then I need the right keyboard for play with them! :) I hope overall that ther will be the manual in italian! :D :D :D :D

Pls helm me! ;) ;) ;)


ps. for live triton le is also good!?

Benvenuto carissimo! Io sono di Bologna (anche se sto scrivendo da Ottawa, Canada), e tu? Ti consiglio a occhi chiusi il Triton Extreme, anche se confesso di essere di parte, perche' ho una Triton Le e ne sono innamorato - e penso che Korg sia la marca migliore di sempre. Il discorso degli altri e' giustissimo, dovresti prima prendere una board piu' semplice. A 17 anni, che e' l'eta' alla quale ho preso la LE (per poi affiancarle un Alesis QS 6.1), non avevo una conoscenza molto approfondita dei synth. Ora mi sono fatto le ossa sulla LE e posso gestire qualsiasi suono - nonostante, suonando prog rock e prog metal, non mi serva una complessita' sonora esagerata. Ti assicuro che un tastierista rock o metal esplora veramente poco o niente delle potenzialita' di una tastiera. L'abilita' nella programmazione si ha quando si devono fare pad complessi stile ambient - e ti assicuro che con Korg si puo' fare tutto questo in poco tempo. Per esempio, sei mesi fa ho fatto un pad per "The Silent Man", che inserisco in "But this time I think, it'd be better if I swim...". L'ho programmato da 0 su una LE e ti assicuro che e' gia' abbastanza. Prendi il modello a 88 tasti e stacci sopra 1 o 2 anni. Ti assicuro che ti dara' da fare. Quanto costa, 1600 euro? Penso che in 2 anni avrai la possibilita' di farti regalare, o di guadagnarti un'altra piattaforma, chissa', con il ritmo al quale andiamo oggi avremo dei synth da sogno rispetto a quelli di oggi! E comunque considera che i campionamenti del Kurzweil K2600X sono di gran lunga piu' vecchi e grezzi del Triton Extreme, depositario di 8 schede di espansione e uscito pochi mesi fa...
Se hai bisogno di informazioni, controlla il mio sito, o mandami un PM!
Buona fortuna,
Valerio (Deceit).

Sorry to all non-italian here...I'm in a rush because I have to watch Rush so I can't write in english!
N.p. Rush - Rush In Rio DVD - Bravado
Deceit.

[FbeShox]

;) Grazie! Io sono di Ruvo di Puglia, in provincia di Bari... ps. ti contatto via e-mail così ti chiedo qualche altra cosa... ops.. mi servirebbe la tua mail però! :)

Listen... but for live performaces i didn't understand if Tritol LE is also good!

[Luca_Capozzi]

sorry for non italians... I want just to say hello to this new user ;)

Ola.. io scrivo da napoli :) se hai modo di spostarti ti consiglio di provare a fare un salto a via san sebastiano a napoli.. una via stracolma di negozi di strumenti. Loveri è tra i migliori ed è il mio "spacciatore" di fiducia ;) cmq, se hai msn contattami pure (LucaCapozzi@hotmail.com).

see ya

[FbeShox]

;)

[ImaX]

To come to your question about using the synth live: what do you want to do live? You can use EVERY synth live!

Let me explain it this way - there are two things that make out a good synth for live in my opinion:

1) sound quality: of course your synth has to be able to create the sounds you need live - no... your synth has to have the possibilities for you to create good sounds live :-)

2) "live-tools": if you work with midi-expanders or have to switch a lot of sound during one song your synth have to give you the possibilities to do that. For example I couldn't assign a footswitch to change sounds in my N5, since I have bigger synths I can do that and have an easier performance now.

BUT:

for 1) all synths you can buy today have very good sounds - even since you don't know anything about sound synthesis yet you can do everything you can imagine with a "normal" synth.

for 2) you don't have midi-expanders, so you don't need to have a synth with great midi-controller-possibilities like the K2500 is. And I don't think you're going to play in a dream theater cover-band in which you have to switch sounds every second in a song.

Don't try to get the best if you can't cope with it, sorry :wink:

The synths you mentioned are one of the greatest synths around, no questions, and they have powerful live-possibilitys! But they don't fit your needs - not today. I'm sure you'll make it and in some years you'll perhaps get the best synth that's out there, but today you could be running into frustrations.

I write too much, sorry 8)

[FbeShox]

Don't worry for lenght of posts... :)
I understand your message! :)

then i change my question: What synth you suggest me beyond those best synths (triton extreme and k2600x!? A GOOD SYNTH for play in band and a synth wich has a good sound! :) yeah yeah... all modern synths have good sound! :D :D: :D

[Ael]

I bought a Kurzweil K2600XS as my first synth...I needed a good piano for college with the flexibility to let me practice and play with sounds and have fun with synthesis technology...the 2600 has a REALLY nice feel...I compare it to a well broken in steinway grand that I used to play on at recitals.

The sounds are great, and from reading a lot on it, you can never know everything about it. If you're really bent on getting into your keyboard, then this will satisfy your palette.

I also wish I had a lighter keboard, Rexx is right, this thing rips your back...but after a few months of lugging it around you get used to it...I'm using it this year for two theater shows I'm playing keyboards for, and next year I'm definitely buying a lighter 88 key synth to bring around and leaving this one at home...

but it's definitely worth it, it's so much fun to play.

[ktriton]

The synths you mentioned are one of the greatest synths around, no questions, and they have powerful live-possibilitys! But they don't fit your needs - not today. I'm sure you'll make it and in some years you'll perhaps get the best synth that's out there, but today you could be running into frustrations.

Yeah I'd say stick with your original plans. Do you know synthesis? It's kind of hard to create a great synth sound from a sine wave or the like unless you know what you're doing. I'd say don't go out and get a Nordlead or an Andromeda or anything like that. You're better off with the Kurzweil or one of the Tritons.

[FbeShox]

If I understand you (two) suggest me to buy the k2600x!?

However Axiombass today show me what synthesis means... It's so great! :D

[Ael]

I think the K2600XS will be one toy that many years down the road you'll still be learning with...

[FbeShox]

I'm falling in love.... I'm beginning to dream a lot..... :oops: :oops: :oops: I WANT A SYNTHETIZER! :) :keys:

[ChrisMcCoy]

I don't own either one, and you know what? My stuff is heavy and cumbersome, but I don;t factor that into the equation at all ! I love what I do, and I'd carry a ton of gear through the door if that's what it takes to do a gig...especially if I like the keyboard I'm playing.
My advice is simple, buy what you want, be it Triton or Kurz (This advice coming from a Roland player) :) Get to a music store that sells both the Triton and Kurz that you want and try them both. Spend as much time as you need to really check out all the bell and whistles, sounds and feel. And If you need to, don't rush to make the purchase, instead, go home and come back another day. Make a few trips, go home and think, come back and play some more. Buying equipment is subjective and personal. In my humble opionion There is no one single "BEST" or "WORST" keyboard in the entire world, but there are many fantastic synths and keyboards out there. Really, it boils down to this: It's a matter of your own opinion and what suits you best. :D

[Deceit]

[OT - Valerio's Random Thoughts]
DAMN, at the moment I see myself much like playing "in a triangle" - Roland JD-800 (or Roland V-Synth, with which I fell in love so deep) + Korg Triton Pro + my self-painted, useless yet beloved Alesis QS 6.1 ... I'm just missing two boards to fulfill my dreams, since I have a Triton Le 76 and the Alesis... I'm never gonna have enough money to do the jump...maybe as time goes by the prices will drop down...especially for the V-Synth...that price's INSANE for a 61 key board with no combination *performance* mode, no layering and (as far as I know) no built-in sequencer! As for the Triton Pro, I don't really care about Triton Extreme 76, and I really don't know why...maybe the price is far too high for me...
And you know what? I've seen no Extreme 76 on Ebay...maybe they're not selling that much?
Deceit.