The "Making the Triton Extreme Work" Thread

[Tusker]

This is not a thread to debate if Jordan will use a Triton Extreme as his master controller. Nor is it a thread to debate if he should. )Those threads are elsewhere.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss how Jordan would use a Triton as his only controller, assuming he decided to do that. Yes, we can assume a rack full of Kurzweils and other synths, so tonal considerations are beyond scope. This is about control only. Yes, he could use an expression mate as a ribbon, but let's assume he doesn't.

Are there specific bend ranges that he uses for DT material that are unusual? I assume that if he set up the upward bend range to +2 and some kind of dive bomb range downward (-24?), he would be covered. Would this be a correct assumption?

If not, would you please cite the specific parts/expressions that would be difficult or impossible to perform. I think this would be an interesting exercise for those of us who sometimes play on varying instruments and would like to replicate our performance across platforms. Wanna play? :)

Cheers,

Jerry

[Over The Edge]

Remember the piano solo in Blind Faith and
how it goes from just piano to piano and strings
and then quickly goes to a huge choir patch.

I'd like to see how he would manage that
scenario especially when the sound cuts out
for a fraction of a second when he moves from
Combi to Combi.


Curiously,


FL
www.franklucas.net

[Cary]

Some observations from the Keyfest concert...at least what I noticed...so I could be wrong but...

He seemed to be messing with the volume and other knobs quite a bit while he was playing.

The largest of the pitch bending that I noticed was done with the foot/volume pedal. I couldn't really see if he was using the small ribbon under the joystick, but if I had to guess, I would say no. He didn't do a lot of huge pitch dives or anything like that, but the time i noticed that he did, he used the pedal.

Also used the pedal for wah.

He mentioned during the master class that using the joystick was taking some getting used to. Also had mentioned something about +2/-12 but I don't quite remember the context, meaning he may have been recommending or suggesting rather than saying what he does.

At one point during an improv, he hit the wrong button. Inadvertent patch change. Safe to say the whole mood of the tone changed. He paused very briefly, and changed the direction of the mood to fit the new tone. He admitted after the song that it was unintentional. He is the master of improv.

The new album is gonna rock. (ok, ok, a little o/t, but WOW!)

[Ael]

From what Jordan said over dinner, he is using the Triton from now on because in the future, they will keep updating their line while Kurz hasn't had anything new in a while, and plus Korg is willing to support him internationally while Kurz can't/won't do it...

With that side...

He played SoC and ITNOG during the concert, and the songs sounded the same to me...I noticed a lot of stuff with the volume pedal, and I know he was using the joystick and still getting used to it...but I didn't hear/see him use the ribbon...

I think he did fine though, for a bit I forgot it wasn't a Kurz cause it was dark in there, but his playing didn't seem to suffer noticeably although he was pushing buttons before changing patches and stuff...I dunno.

[Tusker]

Interesting information ya'll.

That use of the pedal for pitch thing. Wow, it sounds really like a workaround. I can't imagine it's very intuitive to pitch up on a pedal. Maybe he gets more resolution out of it than a small ribbon, though. Does he ever trill or vibrato, while dive bombing? Thats might be a good reason to use a pedal, instead of the small ribbon. Perhaps he is pitching down when the foot moves forward? That would sound more musical than the other way around.

Frank, as to your question ... what's to prevent him doing it within a Combi? Tone1-Piano, Tone2-Strings, Tone3-Choir. Cross-fade the strings in, then cross-fade to choir. Or it could be done by switching the three voices in and out of a layered combi, no? It would seem that unless a midi-note off is sent, the previously played sounds will sustain in the combi. Anyone know fer sure? :wink:

Jerry

[King_Ellesar]

im actually a proud and lucky owner of this monster! and to see him use it was somewhat inspiring.

about the pitch bend w/the pedal, im pretty sure he had the pitch go up as he pressed the expression pedal forward and down as he pressed it down. i couldnt tell much of how his joystick was set to, but i think it would be easier to have it set as +2 and -2 for soloing unless you absolutely positively wont be bending from two whole steps down. i think that for those huge pitch bends, which dont occur that often really, could be just as easily used with the pedal and then switch the function of it right back to wah or wahtever.

as far as the patch switch goes, i know there is a way around it, but i dont know what. but it seemed like in the concert that the patch changing went pretty smoothly, for in both the DT songs and his two origional songs, he did change a bit.

[hyeok]

I actually noticed Jordan doing considerate amount of work to make sure that the sound doesn't just cut out when he switches patches. He was trying to time his playing so that when he switches the patch, the sound won't sound like it cut out. It sounded fine, but its just alot of extra work compared to the Kurzweil. It's kind of annoying having to press the button to change to patch JUST at the right time.

[Over The Edge]

Jerry,

You gotta have a free hand to make all those changes.

:x




FL
www.franklucas.net

[Liquid Shadow]

Maybe he's planning to put that nose of his to more use these days, after realizing the extreme power it holds while recording Train of Thought

[assassin]

Maybe he's planning to put that nose of his to more use these days, after realizing the extreme power it holds while recording Train of Thought

Yep, he could use it to do some freaking fast thrills (5. finger + nose).

[Tusker]

Jerry,

You gotta have a free hand to make all those changes.

:x



Hmmh, quite true Frank. I like using hands because I can toggle sounds faster than with a pedal. One hand plays, the other triggers timbral changes. So your horns can come in for just two notes in a phrase, then go out again, for example. But what to do if both hands are busy?

So for those who want changes available through the feet, I think you are going to have to go with sysex. Toggle the buttons, capture the sysex strings. When playing live, store in a midi processor, trigger with a midi pedal. Of course I dunno how fast the Triton will respond. Anyone know?

It's not very elegant ... does somebody have a simpler idea?

Jerry

[Karmafied]

Well i have some experiencie with my karma and a triton studio, and for make the changes without cut in the sound you can use 2 easy ways.

The first it`s to set the Triton Extreme (in this case) and the Karma like a midi chain and you can use the sounds in an alternate way, the first sound comes from the triton, the second one from the karma, the third from the triton etc. etc. if Jordan really choose the Extreme he can use and alternate way with the Extreme--Triton Racks--K2600 Racks--Karma and won`t have any problems with the "sound`s cut" problem, only need to make an extensive work in sound´s order creation.

The second option it`s to obtain a midi footcontroller like the behringer BFC 1010 and only need to program all the pedals for make the changes,and can use too the 2 exp. pedals for make some FX like the dive bombs, some filters changes,control some parameters like the wah or even for make some layers fade in/outs , unfortunately this footcontroller only have 10 banks with 10 pads each (100 program changes) but every pad can send in 4 channels simultaneously and you obtain a finally 400 program changes for all the units (karma,Triton rack,t extreme and k2600) and you can send note on/off data too for trigger all the samples like the take the time or any other samples. 8)

[Keyplayer]

The second option it`s to obtain a midi footcontroller like the behringer BFC 1010 and only need to program all the pedals for make the changes,and can use too the 2 exp. pedals for make some FX like the dive bombs, some filters changes,control some parameters like the wah or even for make some layers fade in/outs , unfortunately this footcontroller only have 10 banks with 10 pads each (100 program changes) but every pad can send in 4 channels simultaneously and you obtain a finally 400 program changes for all the units (karma,Triton rack,t extreme and k2600) and you can send note on/off data too for trigger all the samples like the take the time or any other samples. 8)

I use a BFC 1010, but I've allways had a problem with sending program changes to more than one unit. To send two different program changes to two units, you have to use two different midi channels. But my master keyboard can only send messages to one channel at the time. So when I set the two units to two different channels, I can't play them simultaneously. Does anyone have a possible solution for this?
Thanks in advance!
Daan

[Karmafied]

Hi friend, what master keyboard do you use???

cause many of the actual keyboards have multi-timbral modes (performance, combi, multisetup etc. etc.) if you use a midi master controller you need to program the send and receive options, and need to check the route of the midi net.

I use 7 keyboards simultaneously and with the Behringer i can control 4 of the units and mantain my fantom as main controller for all the 7 units, but i need to realize some probes for make this midi net fly, maybe if you tell me the brands of the units and the way of conections i can help you. :D

[Keyplayer]

I use a Korg Sp200 stage piano as a controller, and would like to use the sounds of the korg + a yamaha CS2x synth+ a Roland JV880 module. (I know, not the greatest synths in the world, but I managed to create great sounds with them :D )
The problem is that the Sp200 isn't really designed as a complex midi controller I guess.
If you have any suggestions: They're all welcome :D
Daan

[Karmafied]

Hi again friend, well unfortunately the SP200 does not contain all the midi controller`s function but you can use in the next way.
1st set the midi net in the next way:


Sp200 midi out ------to---Behringer midi in

Behringer midi out/thru---------to---- yamaha midi in

yamaha midi out-------to-------roland midi in



ok set the yamaha master channel in " 1" and the roland master ch. in " 2 " and program the behringer to send data to this two channels.
Set eah of the pedals for send the program changes,control changes etc. etc. for the Yamaha and the Roland and now you can control with the behringer and with the piano. Due the piano does not have a multimbral mode you can only send data in channel 1 but you can use the layer function for send data to channels 1 & 2.

Now the secret it`s in the programation way , you nedd to program a combo that contains a blank file in the roland when you go for yamaha sounds and another balck file now in the yamaha for use with the roland you can combine this empty files for make an easy way to control all the gears without the sound of the other and you need to make the same in the piano for normal mode and a layer mode.

i hope this suggest can help you.
Due this topic it`s for another discussion i sugest you to send me a email o make another topic for some other question, maybe a "BFC1010 questions" topic :D

[lighthouse]

use a Korg Sp200 stage piano as a controller, and would like to use the sounds of the korg + a yamaha CS2x synth+ a Roland JV880 module. (I know, not the greatest synths in the world, but I managed to create great sounds with them )



Hey I think the CS2X kicks ass!!, I have one and I love the lead and pad sounds you can get out of it.....good sounds, low price......what else can you ask for?

:D
Juan Pablo

[hyeok]

Now compare all this to how you would do it on a kurzweil:

Simply assign "DataInc" to Footswitch 1 in the Footswitch page. :P

[Keyplayer]

use a Korg Sp200 stage piano as a controller, and would like to use the sounds of the korg + a yamaha CS2x synth+ a Roland JV880 module. (I know, not the greatest synths in the world, but I managed to create great sounds with them )



Hey I think the CS2X kicks ass!!, I have one and I love the lead and pad sounds you can get out of it.....good sounds, low price......what else can you ask for?

:D
Juan Pablo

And you're absolutly right! :D I think it's very great too for creating your own personal sounds! I've allways loved mine, but I have it for 5 years now, and there's not much to discover left... and then you hear about all those kurz's and korgs here, then sometimes I wished I had more money to buy another synth. Not to replace the CS2x but just to have things to explore again.
But... as long as I don't have the money... I'm really happy with my synth!
Daan

[Over The Edge]

Now compare all this to how you would do it on a kurzweil:

Simply assign "DataInc" to Footswitch 1 in the Footswitch page.[quote]





:D




FL
www.franklucas.net

[Karmafied]

Hey friend over the edge all this process it`s for make the 3 boards fuction at the same time (the "keyplayer`s" boards), the Triton Extreme,Triton studio,classic,Le and karma have the program inc/dec too
and the way it`s the same that the Kurz but some user like me hate to used to or more avalaible spots for put the same sound, for example if you use the program inc and i one momet you need to use some piano and 10 sounds later you need the same piano you need to put in the eleven spot the piano again (i dont think tap 10 times a pedal with program dec. are really usefull), with the midi floorboards you can call the sound that you desiree in the air, and well for me to have control ver 4 midi systems it`s really a good point ,but well newly this decisiòn it`s totally personal like the gear selection.

[Tusker]

The question is how will Jordan accomplish the same outcome on the Triton, not "can Jordan use the same process" to get the outcome?

Question for you Triton guys, Jordan steps through a couple of 200 setup changes (linearly) a night I imagine. Not sure how many of these are variations/repeats. How many combi + patch switches can be supported by a Triton/foot controller combo?

What's the lag time on midi based program select on the Triton?

If Jordan made a mistake selecting a pitch during the demo's is he using the Triton interface instead of a pedal currently?

Finally, it makes sense to me that the next Korg workstation will make a very big splash. It wouldn't suprise me if current endorsees already know this. Wonder if any of you have Winter NAMM plans.....

Cheers,

Jerry

[Cary]

If Jordan made a mistake selecting a pitch during the demo's is he using the Triton interface instead of a pedal currently?

He was using a pedal to step through patch changes, but I'm pretty sure he was using the interface when he erred. But the error occured during an improv, so I don't think you'd be nessasarily be stepping through changes then.