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sam
05-03-2009, 08:43 AM
Hi,

Surfing on MP forum, I've found two reviews of the forthcoming DT album... thought you may be interested.

Rich Wilson review:
http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/dream-theater-album-review-black-clouds-and-silver-linings-track-by-track/

Norwegian DT FanClub review:
http://www.dtnorway.com/anmeldeser/35-anmeldelser/66-dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings.html


S.

St0rMl0rD
05-03-2009, 12:35 PM
Oooh, a new promo pic! Nice one! Thanks buddy!

-J

St0rMl0rD
05-03-2009, 12:45 PM
Also, OMG, JM is not wearing PURE BLACK!!!

-J

BlobVanDam
05-03-2009, 01:57 PM
haha whoa, I bet that's photoshopped or something. My eyes are deceiving me!

Rudess
05-03-2009, 02:33 PM
I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!

Thats my review of the review....

JR

Piranha
05-03-2009, 02:44 PM
I agree with Rudess. He's being too subjective. I, personally, won't mind hearing Portnoy blast beating :)

Gianni
05-03-2009, 02:55 PM
I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!

Thats my review of the review....

JR


I thought too he went a bit out of line by expressing so arrogantly his position towards the cd. I recently did a review of Sherinian's Molecular Heinosity, and although I didn't like it that much, one has to keep the order and respect, and say things the right way.


Kill'em Wizard!









Or PM me if you want someone to get hacked, cracked and vanished from the net. :wink:

St0rMl0rD
05-03-2009, 03:46 PM
Well, the non-professional reviewers are always at least a little subjective, but this one is way over the top, I have to agree with that.

-J

RAN7ARAVE
05-03-2009, 05:02 PM
well im being completely honest

i have only heard some tracks soo far and it

15 mins of the first one and all of the second one

from what i have heard its not as progressive as i would have liked. it sounds like a mix between systematic chaos and TOT

TOT is an amazing album
SC is an pretty good album (for dream theater)

all in all its not going to beat Images and words, awake, or Scenes from a memory (In my opinion)

from what i have heard i wish the album was more progressive

but i am sure that some people who love TOT and SC will adore this album

i just want another Scenes from a memory or images and words :frown: THAT WAS PROGRESSIVE ROCK DREAM THEATER!

hopefully the album will get more progressive as it goes along :D

Viperk88
05-03-2009, 05:13 PM
Try not to judge off of 2 out of the 6 songs..

Rudess
05-03-2009, 07:58 PM
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

Gianni
05-03-2009, 08:38 PM
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

Please let me keep this on my signature. Please!!!!

JojotoRudess
05-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Oh yes... The norwegian review is disgusting =S

But it is well known, you can't please everyone... So you got to please yourself!

Keep the good work Jordan!

gibbs1245
05-03-2009, 09:43 PM
that guy is dumb

keep it up jordan, keep kickin ass!

RAN7ARAVE
05-03-2009, 10:48 PM
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

lol jordan you are still my keyboard hero HAHA :D

i didn't say the album was bad or anything i just said the first 1.5 songs on the album were heavier than i expected

BTW: the new Lead sounds great, better than the liquid-T lead

and LOL is that BEEBOT you are using on rite of passage? (i love beebot :))

keep it up jordan ! can't wait for the new solo album!

RAN7ARAVE
05-03-2009, 11:21 PM
lol well i guess the album does get more progressive as it goes along in the norwegian review the The Count of Tuscany is supposed to be like dance of eternity i cant wait!

Subpar
05-03-2009, 11:36 PM
I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!

Thats my review of the review....

JR

i agree, he seems to be one of the snobby DT fans who think they know how the music should be. I have heard snippets, but will save my judgement for when the album comes out. But he did come across very snobby.

Subpar
05-03-2009, 11:41 PM
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

OMG I about fell out of my chair laughing so hard. Freaking hillarious...people judging the album before its even out....lol

:biggrin:

Enc3f4L0
05-04-2009, 01:23 AM
I thought the Norweigan review wasn't that bad. I enjoyed reading it actually.

DT fans are in fact over dissecting in general, a bit of 'snob' should be expected, IMO.

I know it sucks to read stuff like this about the music you put so much effort into. I can relate to that!

About the 2 songs. No need to talk about'em just yet. Some of us heard'em, some didn't. All I know is they've provided me with a few hours of jammin' fun already.

I'll leave the analyst side of me for when I'm able to hear the whole album in context.

BlobVanDam
05-04-2009, 05:49 AM
Far too much discussion about the new tracks here.

And anyone complaining about songs solely on whether it's "prog" is being a prog snob imo. Good music is good music.

St0rMl0rD
05-04-2009, 11:08 AM
Far too much discussion about the new tracks here.

And anyone complaining about songs solely on whether it's "prog" is being a prog snob imo. Good music is good music.

Exactly.

-J

jared_tt
05-04-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm most excited about wither and the best of times, both the reviews have given me this impression.

I love when "critics" can't sit back and enjoy music, they have to put everything under a microscope.

cheddar
05-06-2009, 05:16 PM
Uh, I know you guys are fanboys and all, but that norwegian review gave the new album 4 out of 5 stars and was generally positive towards the album. God forbid he actually be honest about what he didn't like.

j-rey
05-06-2009, 08:24 PM
I didn't think the review was that bad. I thought JR's response was more distasteful than the review honestly.

Bigs
05-07-2009, 10:18 AM
I've listend to A Rite of Passage a few times since it came out and I really like it. The first time I heard the intro I was like :confused: , but at the end of the song I was :biggrin:. Escpecially the chorus is awesome. Can't wait for the new CD! :)

About the Norwegian review, I stopped reading it after two paragraphs.. CD reviews are so boring, I'd rather form my own opinion about music ;)

Bigs
05-07-2009, 10:19 AM
I didn't think the review was that bad. I thought JR's response was more distasteful than the review honestly.

:eek:


;)

jared_tt
05-07-2009, 12:29 PM
I was honestly a bit shocked at his response too. but I do agree that that review, while it raised good points about how DT is not as "magical" as they used to be, I thought the reviewer was quite snobby. At any rate, I think this new album will recapture the magic! :D It sounds awesome, I ordered by deluxe set already...man that's a chunk out of my wallet, but WORTH IT!

gylfih
05-07-2009, 03:11 PM
That review was a bit stupid IMHO. They said that DT used to be unusual in having a solo section that was a duel between guitar and keyboard, but obviously, that sculpted the prog genre. So that would no longer be unusual. What else do you expect them to do? They helped design the genre, and now they're still playing in that style. I suppose it was the same in the late baroque/early classical era. In Bach times it was tantamount to sacrilege to have unprepared dissonance, Then Beethoven did a lot of unprepared 7ths and suspensions (and, to an extent others like Haydn and Mozart). This was considered unusual and very interesting then, but it seems normal now.

So although the review said that prog used to be unusual and interesting to listen to, but now it seems like no new ideas are coming out, it's because the genre has been defined, and the prog bands are just playing to the tune they wrote. Ramble over.

meinhold
05-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Far too much discussion about the new tracks here.

And anyone complaining about songs solely on whether it's "prog" is being a prog snob imo. Good music is good music.

Hello, stop stealing my words without even asking!

I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

Jordan, welcome to life.

Athox
05-07-2009, 06:40 PM
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

You drunk or something?:rolleyes:

Metabog
05-07-2009, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Rudess View Post
I feel like I'm surrounded by freakin idiots!!

HELP!!!

You drunk or something?:rolleyes:

Not a very nice thing to say to fans, is it?

I'd be annoyed too, though, at that article. I've been thinking of how annoyed JR must be that mostly everyone didn't like the bebot solo (that I loved). I don't get why everyone is like "WTF is THIZ nintendo shit?!!?111one".

noxon
05-07-2009, 09:31 PM
I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!

Thats my review of the review....

JR

Thank you for the kind words, I will take this into consideration.

I'm not going to repeat much of what I said elsewhere ( http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=13.385 ), other than saying that I find it pretty insulting that I, as a person who's given 10 years worth of support and thousands of man hours spent hosting chats, running websites, building fanzines and calendars and hosting preshow parties, creating the first fanclub dvd, creating podcasts and generally performed free promotion for the band without a single demand back get personally attacked in this manner just for having an opinion that isn't 110% positive.

So I'm subjective in my review. So I paid a bit too much attention to the flaws, while finding it hard to provide an accurate translation of that very review in a timely manner. But come on, I gave the album a pretty good score, and I found a few points that I didn't like. These points were restricted to two specific songs, whereas the other four songs got nothing by good remarks from me. Some of the expression choices were bad and caused misunderstandings (and these have been fixed) other sentences needed clarification (and this has been done).

Snobby? Over processing? Well, if writing a review thats targeted to an extremely specific audience like the fanclub is, that values honesty over hype, that trusts me to write my opinion instead of just faking enthusiasm - makes me that, then that is what I am. I mean, the overall general feedback I've gotten from the people who've read it has been that they've become excited about hearing the album -regardless- of the flaws I pointed out. AND I'm sorry to say this, but being a fan ALSO means that you're much more geeky about silly details that other reviewers would ignore.

I've always been incredibly thankful for what you and the others have provided for us. That I am a poor writer, an amateur, is not strange, since i do not do this for a living. I do this in my spare time. My first language isn't even english, and the only reason i provided an english version was cause it was requested. Imagine though the hurt felt when you take the time to point out that you never do this sort of thing, but you just HAVE to point out what you think about me personally, even going as far as suggesting that I should stop listening to your band...

I would like to hope that people actually would take the time and read the whole of what I wrote, instead of just focusing on the negative. Then maybe they'd realize that the review isn't actually saying that many bad things about the album but at the same time I'd want to reserve my right to an opinion without the threat of the bandmembers popping up and publicly lambasting us like this. What kind of a product would I be able to produce if all I was able to do was be overly positive lest fearing that you'd break contact with us or even worse berate us in public for what we do when you don't like it...


I wasn't supposed to rant now. Please don't start a fight now, i will not reply to any posts trying to pick one.


I was having fun with building the 20th fanzine... Got some killer new design ideas in there, with loads of great pictures and color solutions, plus we finally opted for A4 format.

Rudess
05-07-2009, 10:43 PM
Dude- listen, thanks for your years of support and dedication to the band. The review honestly bothered
me a lot... I probably should have just let it go. I usually would have -and actually usually do...
Sorry my comment about the review bummed you out! From what you wrote, it just seemed like you are so tired of the "usual" Dream Theater solo's- unisons- meter changes- transitions etc that I really wondered why you wanted to listen to a group like ours in the first place.! I think I understand your headspace a little better now that I heard your story. Thanks for explaining it to everyone though..
I guess us artists can be a sensitive bunch. Must have caught me on a bad day!!

Let's all send peaceful, musical -good vibes out to our buddy Noxon and let the negativity become a thing of the past..... Dude man- I got some music you should listen to though. Not one unison to be found!!

JR

Omega Monkey
05-07-2009, 11:48 PM
I think it's kind of cool to see Jordan "losing his cool". Let's us know he's human.

Since his playing doesnt!

salty
05-08-2009, 04:10 AM
take the time

yeaaah!!!!

noxon
05-08-2009, 04:44 AM
You know what, Andrew, just when I wrote those words i was thinking, "Okay, this is a DT board, somebody is probably going to quote those words... And lo and behold, so you did! Hehehe.

BlobVanDam
05-08-2009, 05:01 AM
You know what, Andrew, just when I wrote those words i was thinking, "Okay, this is a DT board, somebody is probably going to quote those words... And lo and behold, so you did! Hehehe.

DT fans have a sixth sense for DT references. :D

Enc3f4L0
05-08-2009, 07:32 AM
DT fans have a sixth sense for DT references. :D

A baby would've caught on... That reference wasn't exactly an easter egg. ;)

Rudess
05-08-2009, 08:44 AM
Noxon,

Would you be so kind as to post a review here about this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI

Love-your favorite keyboardist!

JR

gylfih
05-08-2009, 11:41 AM
Noxon,

Would you be so kind as to post a review here about this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI

Love-your favorite keyboardist!

JR
:eek:
Where do you find these awesome things?! That was unbelievably amazing.

noxon
05-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Man, i wouldn't even begin to know how to review that. That's truly some awesome beatboxing, and beardyman has fantastic showmanship (as has been proven with his kitchen diaries skit that went viral a few years back). How on earth is he able to make those noises with only his mouth?! That man doesn't even need a keyboard! What a fantastic imitator of sounds, noises AND people. Truly mindboggling.

Rudess
05-08-2009, 04:40 PM
Now I think that video clip was exactly what this forum discussion needed to ease things up!!

i feel harmony and serenity returning back to JR world.

:)

jared_tt
05-08-2009, 05:14 PM
Awesome video!

Gianni
05-08-2009, 05:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI


Flute/drum-machine man + synth man? Awesome!


Where do you find this stuff! :biggrin:

alauth
05-08-2009, 09:01 PM
Now I think that video clip was exactly what this forum discussion needed to ease things up!!

i feel harmony and serenity returning back to JR world.

:)

Some kind of magic from the wizard ? :biggrin:

Krahn
05-09-2009, 01:54 AM
Noxon,

Would you be so kind as to post a review here about this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI

Love-your favorite keyboardist!

JR
What on earth are those guys?:eek::eek::eek:
Their skill is almost superhuman. Absolutely awesome!

Thefunkygibbons
05-12-2009, 07:28 AM
Reality is that I don't think a DT album can be reviewed until one has listened to it 20+ times

I am sure that Noxon and Rich Wilson would agree to that

d1887864
05-21-2009, 06:56 AM
That Norwegian reviewer needs to go back to commercial pop music - that's where the fans, and not the musicians, control the music.

He should learn to understand a setting and not see things out of context. E. g.:

Then we also have a vocal section that I cannot for the life of me understand why they solved that way. MP does his “rap” style vocals, a talking/shouting thing we’ve know come to know and (love/hate – scratch whichever fits), “angry man” vocals. And it ends with a roar – literally. Musically it's pretty cool, but I don't think it works that well because the song at that very moment tells us that “oh, it's okay, everyone survived”, and with that kind of voice it sounds like someone is utterly pissed because it all went well.

Instead of saying that it doesn't fit in, he should try to see how it fits in. and if he is unable to, it simply means that DT just isn't for him (or he could just shut up about it and act like he understands the music). His multiple statements of dissatisfaction with having multiple themes in single songs aswell confirms his need for easy listening pop music.

Reality is that I don't think a DT album can be reviewed until one has listened to it 20+ times

This man speaks the truth.

idp
05-21-2009, 06:21 PM
The norwegian guy said, that musically the roar fits but dramaturgically it doesnt. And he is right. And most of you come to fight with him, he should listen to pop, doesnt understand music, etc.

But why? DT wrote a story section about a family surviving an accident, but they present it in an angry way. The way of presentation is not in emotional synchron with what the words mean. This is a fact, it has no other meaning which needs 20+ listening. Understanding, accepting, learning the whole 16+min song, the music needs 20+ listening.

And why it is a bad thing when someone is over analyzing an album/song. Hey! Everybody do that. Everybody has an opinion, impression about every musical theme in every song (even between 2-3 notes!) on every cd. And if you write this down, its a cd-review. Is that a bad thing? I imagine everyone blaming the over-analyzing norwegian guy will buy the dt album, start playing, shutting down his/her brain accepting and praising everything. But our brain is not working that way. Everyone will have an own review, and nobody will like the new album 100%, no way, everybody will have a part or two or more he/she will not like.

What I see, is that fanatic DT people cannot accept, that someone has another opinion. Why is it bad if someone reviewed a rock album and made a review, a review that tells, its a pretty good album? Why the fighting with the tiny bits?

And prog genre is not a genre defined by solos, speed ejaculation, battling in 560bpm and 89+mins epics. Progression doesnt need explaining. If you progress in your musical style, you are progressive, if you stop progressing and do just the same thing, you are not. Thats simple. Dont need arguing who defined prog and when and with what musical elements, because noone had defined. We can describe what bands have done and why they were/are progressive, but we cannot apply a rule to became progressive, because we will be just copies of existing prog bands.

In my opinion (means: I dont want to fight with the DT myth, but I want to say my version too), DT is an epic, melodic, complex metal band, they made progression when they made a connection between metal and prog rock in a very uniqe and atmospheric way(IAW-learning to live, AWAKE-scarred, erotomania, SDOIT-great debate, disappear), but those days are gone. They made these new things, and they use that formula, which is very OK! And theres the thing that everyone realizes progression in a different way. Maybe for me the last 3-4 dt album were not progressive, for another they were. For me some Tori Amos song is prog too, but in just their context.

This 'prog' myth is just BS in my opinion. Will something be better if its prog or not?

Someone said, good music is the real point and I agree 100%.

d1887864
05-22-2009, 05:19 AM
The norwegian guy said, that musically the roar fits but dramaturgically it doesnt. And he is right. And most of you come to fight with him, he should listen to pop, doesnt understand music, etc.

But why? DT wrote a story section about a family surviving an accident, but they present it in an angry way. The way of presentation is not in emotional synchron with what the words mean.

You are just as arrogant as the Norwegian reviewer. You could aswell have said 'DT don't know how to write DT music'.

You say that they present it in an angry way. Have you listened to Portnoy's voice? Maybe that voice belongs to a well-known character that usually sounds angry. Or maybe not. Anyways, you've gotta see the whole setting. Not just 'someone is angry while singing that a family survived a car accident, which they totally shouldn't be', but 'who is this character, that sounds so angry (and why does he sound so angry)?'.

You must always follow the setting from the artist's point of view. How can you say that they wrote their own song wrong? The song is perfectly like it's supposed to, because DT are the ones deciding how it's supposed to be.

Bigs
05-22-2009, 06:01 AM
you are just as arrogant as the norwegian reviewer. you could aswell have said 'DT don't know how to write DT music'.

you say that they present it in an angry way. have you listened to portnoy's voice? maybe that voice belongs to a character that usually sounds angry. or maybe not. anyways, you've gotta see the whole setting. not just 'someone is angry while singing that a family survived a car accident, which they totally shouldn't be', but 'who is this character, that sounds so angry (and why does he sound so angry)?'

you must always follow the setting from the artist's point of view. how can you say that they wrote their own song wrong? the song is perfectly like it's supposed to, because DT are the ones deciding how it's supposed to be.

Her her.

Also I'd like to listen to the CD myself so I can form my own opinion :)

Liquidkey
05-22-2009, 10:49 AM
I wonder how many of you would even care if Jordan had not mentioned it.

idp
05-22-2009, 12:14 PM
"you are just as arrogant as the norwegian reviewer. you could aswell have said 'DT don't know how to write DT music'."

LOL LOL LOL and MEGA LOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZ

The reviever said that musically it fits (RGO DT wrote good DT music) and this is my opinion too. We just said that for ourselves dramaturgically, the music is not in synchron with the lyrics. For us and we talked about JUST THAT SECTION, its about 15-20secs in a very good 16+min song.

So can you decide whats your problem? Maybe the reviewer and me are not full powered blind DT fan military heavy machinery robots?

"you must always follow the setting from the artist's point of view" - Yes, if we are the artist. I beg your pardon, but let me follow the cd/song/film/poem that I listening/viewing/reading from my point of view. You know thats the main thing of art. The artist is doing something and it means something to the viewer/listener/reader. I dont care what a poet or director wanted to say, I care about what and how he or she actually said and what it means for me. If that section is not 100% coherent for me (without any additional information about an angry person -not likely there is such a character)in this moment than its not. And the story ends here.

jared_tt
05-22-2009, 01:29 PM
What is with the rudeness on this subject? This guy who has only made 2 posts, I don't mean to be rude, but this is a friendly forum, and we NEVER call others arrogant. We agree to disagree. We do not set up our own opinions as the ultimate means of deciding what is "good or not".

Just a thought there, again, I do not mean to pick on you, just please treat everyone with respect. There is NO reason to bash the Norwegian reviewer. Did you read the whole thread? Did you see how Jordan and him worked out their disagreements? That's how we roll on these forums. Friendly, and co-operative. Please contribute to this atmosphere.

As for A Nightmare to Remember, I agree with idp. I LOVE the song, it's better, IMO, than almost EVERYTHING on Systematic Chaos, but the lyrics don't feel right in conjunction with the growling/rapping vocals in that part. For me leastways. Anyhow, it's an awesome song, and I over analyze, but that one part does not, by any means, stop me from enjoying the song. I confess, I even REALLY enjoy that part, I find myself growling along with MP every time. :biggrin:

Anyhow, the new album is sure to be a great Dream Theater album, and will have ups and downs, as ALL albums do. It is foolish to say that ANY musician can make a perfect album, or composition, just because "that's the way they chose to make it", doesn't make it perfect.

I've really exhausted the subject now and will simply ramble on meaninglessly if I type any more.

FRETPICK
05-22-2009, 02:25 PM
I don't read cd reviews.

salty
05-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Like was mentioned just above, please keep things civil and resort from flaming each other.

It's fine to disagree, but lets not make things personal.

Enigma™
05-22-2009, 09:56 PM
Just for the sake of forcing my own opinion on the whole thing:

If the review were about something that *I* had done, I honestly would have initially reacted the same way Jordan did. I probably would have felt the same way, but at the same time it's flattering to know that someone cares enough that they've followed the music THIS long to be able to compare the newest tracks to material released so long ago.

I happen to agree VERY VERY strongly with what someone else in the threads said though:

It takes a while to digest the album. You can't just take an initial response, you have to really get deep into the album and hear all of the intricacies, etc.

To be very honest, I'm still "stuck" on Rudess Morgenstein project. There's SO much musical stuff in there, that I'm still wading through it.

And that's just 2 guys with musical ideas.

Anyway, my point is that you only take out of something how much effort you put into it. It takes time and that's why I *generally* tend to not read reviews of anything at all. (Unless I'm planning on purchasing hardware of some kind)

My G/f isn't musical, she listens to pop/hiphop and radio stuff. Honestly, she's taught me to be able to just enjoy music regardless of how many unisons, riffs, etc. exist. It's all a matter of taste and perspective.

Generally speaking, DT fans seem to be an intelligent bunch of people, and often we're GOING to be analytical and dissect everything. That's WHAT WE DO. *shrugs*

Maybe something was misinterpreted in the message, maybe Jordan had a "me" moment (I remember I would often step out of line at the expense of the person on the other end of my post) but again - everyone is human and when you put your whole life on hold to be able to make an album... Of course you're going to take it personally.

I would too, and any single one of you would be lying if you said you wouldn't take it personally when you neglect your family, yourself, staying up late and getting up early, ALL to try and express how or what you're feeling through music. That kind of sacrifice is totally personal, and it's hard to not take things personally when it feels like someone is "attacking" what you did.

So we've determined a few things here:

Jordan is just a regular person, with a very strong devotion to his work.

The Norwegian dude is a die-hard DT fan, and was looking for something that just isn't there for him and so he wrote about it.

Life goes on, and I'm sure the more everyone hears the album, the more they'll enjoy.

Oh, and Andrew:

LOL

Nicely played my friend :)

Enigma - Out.

idp
05-23-2009, 09:59 AM
Very well said!

d1887864
05-29-2009, 04:52 PM
I beg your pardon, but let me follow the cd/song/film/poem that I listening/viewing/reading from my point of view. You know thats the main thing of art. The artist is doing something and it means something to the viewer/listener/reader.

That was not the point. Rejecting a scene or part or setting as illogical is not rendering it from a custom point of view. Sayint that that voice shouldn't be aggressive or shouldn't represent a happy ending is not upto the listener. That's for tabloid magazine pop culture, where the artists sell their souls for money to satisfy the masses. Trying to figure out why he sounds so aggressive or what kind of character the voice belongs to - that's a step forward in the direction of comprehending art.

gylfih
05-29-2009, 05:09 PM
I wonder how many of you would even care if Jordan had not mentioned it.
This! And what Enigma said. And what jared_tt said. Lol. Get over this. It was just someones opinion who was a diehard fan of DT, and didn't like a particular aspect of an entire album, and this got sorted out. If we can't have opinions and talk about them freely then something's gone wrong somewhere.

Rudess
05-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Let's all play a wonderful game called "Hug the Norwegian"...
Time to let it go.

JR

Mike Lydian
05-29-2009, 05:51 PM
whats up with all the fighting? there's a new DT album out people, and it's the best one yet, Rejoice!

Liquidkey
05-29-2009, 05:56 PM
Let's all play a wonderful game called "Hug the Norwegian"...
Time to let it go.

JR

One of my very favourites ^^

And for Gylfih: What is that all about? I just pointed out that I think it is funny that suddenly everyone thinks the Norwegian review is a disaster.

But yes, I agree, let's forget this now.

gylfih
05-29-2009, 06:01 PM
One of my very favourites ^^

And for Gylfih: What is that all about? I just pointed out that I think it is funny that suddenly everyone thinks the Norwegian review is a disaster.

But yes, I agree, let's forget this now.

Exactly... it was an agreement:tongue:

Liquidkey
05-29-2009, 06:03 PM
Exactly... it was an agreement:tongue:

Sorry then :tongue: :smile: Sounded like you disagreed :biggrin:

jared_tt
05-29-2009, 06:18 PM
Jeez, we're still on this...?hehe, Jordan, you crack me up my man.
I'm just a little bummed the RR wouldn't send me a promo copy, 'cause I'm away and WILL have no access t a CD player for like..a month and a half after the album comes out...:frown:

Peruvian-Wizzard
05-31-2009, 11:18 AM
It's like your comment solved the problem!:biggrin:

Let's all play a wonderful game called "Hug the Norwegian"...
Time to let it go.

JR

Krahn
06-09-2009, 09:12 AM
I'm so happy now. BC&SL was highly regarded by four music critics of Burrn. As far as I know, it got higher marks than last three albums. http://www.kaocol.com/smilies/happy0159.gif I can't wait to hear it!

Analogkid
06-09-2009, 09:53 AM
HAHAAH does anyone actually buy or not buy a CD based on a review?? Give me a break!!

Enigma™
06-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Let's all play a wonderful game called "Hug the Norwegian"...
Time to let it go.

JR

And with this being said, it's time to let this thread die into the abyss known as the interwebs.

Side note: This thread ends with 69 replies...

I love this forum LOL