Keyboard stand dilemma

[klavijaturista]

I need to buy me a new stand. For two keyboards with option to remove the second tier if not needed.
My options are:
Ultimate DX-48B,
K&M spider,
Quik Lok T22...
They vary in price and shape but i had oprtunity to try them out, and i liked them. I need an opinion from somebody who is using some of these stands for a longer time... Or maby a recomendation for some other stand!?

[-=AnatomiC=-]

V-stand all the way... :cool: I would not recommend it for a smaller (less than 76 keys) keyboard though...

[osiris]

I have a Quiklok QLX 22 double brace, two tier stand (weight capacity of around 90KG I think). I've had it for over a year now and its darn sturdy!!

I've also got a Quiklok work desk, they're a very good company, nice heavy duty products that I know I can trust.


However, when I get a new board... I'd need to look into getting a new stand. Ones such as the Spider really catch my eye. I just think they would look so much better on stage. and they're nice and compact n easy to carry (I would imagine). But I have never had a bash about on a board using one of these column stands... So I dont know much about their durability and sturdyness...
If they're just as tough and steady as the X type stands... I'd go for a column. They just look awesome :smile:

[PinkFloydDudi]

I have a Z-stand...and I tell ya, all I see these days are those V columns. That spider looks a lot sharper than the other 2, but even the first one you posted I would take over the quiklok. For 88 key boards...the X stands that I've used just weren't as solid as the Z-stand or V-stand.

Reason I'd take the V over the Z-stand, is mostly cause of looks, and space. Those Spider stands seem to fold up in a very nice little column.


One thing with my Z-stand and it is the same problem with X-stands that have a 2nd tier, is that sometimes when I put my bottom keyboard on it, the main outputs are blocked by the 2nd tier legs. All it takes usually is moving my keyboard an inch or two to the left or right, but its just an added pain that you wouldn't usually have to deal with on the V-Stand.

I'm still looking into getting something that spins...but they are a bit out of my price range at the moment! Damn Standbuilder and his high quality merchandise!

[HammondToby]

I use three types of stands:

- Ultimate Apex AX-48B (http://www.ultimatesupport.com/AX-48B-Classic-Column-Keyboard-Stand?sc=14&category=44)
- K&M 18950 (http://www.k-m.de/TABLE-STYLE-KEYBOARD-STAND.3+M52176c92ce0.0.html) with an additional stacker (http://www.k-m.de/Aufsatz.3+M5f9ebe6fd4d.0.html)
- K&M 18980 (http://www.k-m.de/ALUMINUM-KEYBOARD-STAND.3+M55cc5ca0215.0.html)

Apex is for light gear, thats not too wide (Nord Wave and Nord Electro), without massive pedals (one sustain, one expression). It's easy to transport and stable with light stuff. Nord Stage 88 is not that stable on it.

The table (18950) is good for heavy stuff (Rhodes, Stage 88, Kurzweil PC88) and rock solid.

The X-Stand is good for just the Stage.

I like the V-Stand, but, as AnatomiC stated, not for small boards. Tried a Fantom G6 on it and is wasn't that solid.

Wouldn't go with the Deltex, as it's a pain to move it, as it's not very comfortable to set up.

Best
HammondToby

Edit: A friend of mine has a spider and he had several problems with the socket: it broke! K&M was very kind and replaced it within a few days AND my friend had contact with the R&D department. So, the early spider models can have a material problem with the socket, that was fixed on the later ones.

[rifaa]

I do own both a V-stand and a Spider Pro.

Personally I prefer the Spider, especially for live play. Never had any problems with it (like Toby mentioned).
The reason is that
a) you have so much more room to position your pedals
b) you don´t have to remove the 2nd tier when you don´t need it - just fold it in!
c) it´s great to transport -just one column and nothing spreading away that gets caught somewhere

Many of the above users said that they did not like the V-stand too much with smaller boards. I experienced some problems with full 88 key workstations in as far as the board always tilted slightly towards me through the sheer weight of the board, thus making it a bit wobbly. Not sure if that is a general problem or just a manufacturing fault in the stand I got. Fixed that for the studio with too rubber strips placed underneath, which obsiously would not be an ideal solution for live play.

Hope that helps!

[Premetheus37]

I'm also looking into getting a stand for my keystation pro 88. I really like the look of the V-stand, but am not so sure about it's stability. It just looks like it doesn't have enough structural integrity to handle such a large board. For those of you using 88 keys on a v-stand, does it wobble at all? That's just the one thing I hate about stands, when they wobble.......

~Premetheus

[Bastardo Demono]

get the roland ksv7 (v-shaped stand) with the second tier detachable. I got mine for 120 on ebay in almost new condition, check it out. I think the stand is sturdy as shit, has great stage presence (especially if you like looking more furutistic), and most importantly it collapses into something very compact, and there is even a perfectly shaped bag available for it.

[klavijaturista]

Ok! First, thank you all!

Additional questions :)
1) Spider users - about the angles, lower is like flat, and upper 15 degrees tilted, are there other options, is 15 enough, can it be customized?
2) Ultimate users - What about the pedalls? Can they fit and be used normaly, because of the bar on the flor? And angles, are there any? All models i've seen have both tiers flat...

X stands are no longer in the game... :)

But becaouse of the options it provides i will probably go with the proel KK...

Still thinking...

[rifaa]

For the Spider:

yes, the lower tier is flat (of course!), and in the Spider Pro models the upper tier is tilted (might be 15 °)- the normal Spider is flat on both tiers.

You can extend the lower tier to better fit larger boards.

The only other "option" you got is that you can actually put in as many additional tiers (straight and tilted) as you like as they just fit into the column (ok, more than 3 would be a bit cramped :-)

[rutgerv]

Hi,

I'm currently using a K&M Spider pro with 3 synths on it. It's the first stand that actually gets all three synths a suitable playing height for me (I'm a tall guy). Only the top tier has the 15 degree angle downwards (and nope, not adjustable, but a very lucky shot by K&M to fix it at 15 degrees, at least it's comfortable for me). The other two tiers are straight ones. With 3 synths on it, the middle one is at perfect playing height (no angle in my wrists). THe slanted top one is also good (only very small angle for wrists). The bottom one is actually a bit low for playing while standing. It requires a Tuomas (Nightwish) position to play with straight wrist joints. However, this is something I can live with, given the fact that I like to have 3 synths on it, with a bit of space (to see the frontpanels) between them.

As mentioned this stand is very fast and easy to setup and transport, although with extra tiers (to carry the 3rd synth) it doesn't fold up that nicely anymore. There's alot of pedal space. Between the legs I have 3 sustain pedals on the ground, and next to the legs to volume pedals and switch.

The only downside of the Spider Pro (as with any column stand) is that it doesn't carry heavy boards well. My Korg Triton Pro (76 keys, non-weighted) as already swinging a bit from time to time. You don't have to worry that it will break or fall over, I have experienced that it is really hard to knock it over with synths on it. However, heavy synths could swing a bit sideways (actually in a circle-shape around the main column). I especially notice this when applying forces sideways on a synth during hammond slides.

Best,

Rutger

[klavijaturista]

Ok, I'm done thinking, and i decided to fix my old stand!
It's a kk copy made by a guy here in my country, but since the day one it was wobbly and insecure, decided to fix that whit some extra screws and some more modifications...
I'll post some pictures when I'm done...
It's cheaper this way!
Tnx for all your help guys!

[Mimi]

I just bought spider pro. I can tell you it works nice.:smile:

[klavijaturista]

It is done, i have bought the Ultimate support Dx48b.
It's ok... Not bad...

[zolhof]

V-stand all the way... :cool: I would not recommend it for a smaller (less than 76 keys) keyboard though...

That was my dilemma a while ago. I needed something for my 2nd keyboard and already had the V-stand, but was worried if the tier would hold a 88 board. So I contacted Roland and they said it can hold up to 34kg on the 2nd tier, and a total of 113kg fully loaded. Since the top keyboard weights 24kg I decied to give it a try and yes, it works perfectly. Even for a 88 keyboard :)

[brianos]

Just to add another option for consideration - I've been pretty happy with the QuikLok QL699. Bottom tier is quite stable, the upper tiers less so, but fine for my playing style & smaller boards. Plenty of space for pedals underneath. The QL is also somewhat customizable, though I've had trouble tracking down some of the expansion parts in the US - I've added on a 3rd tier and a mic boom. Laptop trays are available.

[Maddolis]

After reading the above posts I'm under the general impression that people favour the Spider Pro over the V-Stand.
I've done some looking around, and none of my local stores are selling the K&M Spider Pro, but I've managed to find one Australian website selling a regular K&M Spider (for $450). Of course I'll continue looking around, but how would the regular K&M Spider (without the 15 degree inclination) compare?
The V-stand without the 2nd tier sells for an average of $350, and I'm not quite as fond of some of the other models I've taken a look at.