Any crticisms of Rhythm of Time?

[havyyck]

I know it's easy to fall on the floor and kiss Jordan's ass but can we offer anything constructive to the wizard?

For example, we all know Jordan can jam and is a virtuoso but I'd like to hear more variety.

1) Tracks that are more film score like

2) Tracks that delve into the unexplored wolrd of the workstation not just typical four or five man tracks.

3) I'd like to see more creative thinking going into the names.

4) For creative and relfective concepts for tunes like expressing the environment of a yet unexplored planet with lifeforms.

:roll:

[rlainhart]

Well, that's a pretty offensive way to express the question, don't you think?

At any rate, one thing you, and anyone who isn't directly involved in the music business, should understand is that Jordan has to work with the record company that releases his records, and perhaps isn't as free to "express the environments of yet unexplored planets with lifeforms" as he might like. Jordan creates and appreciates many different kinds of music, as you should know, but record companies don't necessarily want to release many different kinds of music, being commercial entities.

I suggest you think about that while falling on the floor to kiss someone's ass (something it would be very entertaining to see a human being accomplish, in fact.)

[Liquid Shadow]

The solo in the clip from the first song follows the EXACT structure of one of the solos from ToT, though I can't remember the song right now.

[havyyck]

At any rate, one thing you, and anyone who isn't directly involved in the music business, should understand is that Jordan has to work with the record company that releases his records, and perhaps isn't as free to "express the environments of yet unexplored planets with lifeforms" as he might like. fact.)

Gee, you ever think that maybe THAT'S WHY I'm not "directly involved" with the music business?

I'm so glad the thought police are out to tell people how to express their views.

And MAYBE, just MAYBE, if the fan expressed a desire to buy music that was a little more diverse, record companies would be OPEN to releasing it because fans are saying that's what they want to buy? Instead of just applauding the same ol same ol, then sending the message that the fans only want the same ol same ol. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Oh and I see we have a taker commenting on one of the solos.

Maybe YOU should think more... and post less. :lol:

[Cary]

I haven't heard the whole thing yet.

[Spacehog]

Hmmm, havyyck, lemme see, firstly you post an incredibly dumb post insulting Jordan's intelligence and creativity (about an album that isn't yet released, at that!)... then you insult Jordan's friend and neighbour for suggesting that just *maybe* you could have worded your post a little more sensibly and inoffensively... then you insult a guy who actually goes along with what you're saying for posting too much, when all told there are a great many people here who post a lot more (and the guy in question is actually pretty thoughtful, from what I've seen). What's my point? Well, we don't generally like people coming in with this kind of attitude, it's not conducive to making the happy friendly community that we know and love here. Maybe if you *did* post more then you'd appreciate that a little better. Then again, maybe you're just an idiot. You choose, I'm not making any judgements...

Martin

[Tal Rudess]

I suggest that the moderators will ban this guy.

[Over The Edge]

Dude,

I'm ready for you to teach me all that I need to know
in order to be relevant in the music world.

Where do I sign up so I can tap into your genius?




FL
www.franklucas.net

[Airspeed]

havyyck, the world is'nt a perfect place. Music is the artform of the musician who creates it. If Jordan chooses to make an album a certain way then that's his choice. We all have the freedom to choose what we listen too and watch, if you don't like something then don't watch or listen to it (it's that simple). It's not our right IMHO to give Jordan constructive advice like you mentioned unless he asks for it, remember Jordan is'nt a puppet. And when posting on this forum please be respectful in your wording. I believe in free speech but when Jordan pays for this website we should all act accoringly and be thankful for what we have here. :wink:

[Nolan]

....Still, no way of getting offensive here...........


Have you listened to Jordan's previous albums?

Secrets of the Muse and Resonance are beautifull piano improv albums.

I can tell you that the Rudess Morgenstein album shows you al the potential of a workstation in depth.
Ask around here. A bunch of guys got a mortgage after listening to this album just to buy the damn synth.

Foolin' around with synths sounds: listen to "A Christmas Carol"

I'm not always into the technical side. I'm a huge Vangelis fan because of what he does with only a few chords........
Just listen to the examples of the two songs where Kip Winger sings on. It's a totally different Jordan I can tell :) :)

Coen

[Awake]

If the album's not released for over a month yet, how exactly can you have heard it to be offering criticism, constructive or otherwise? Before Feeding the Wheel was released, there were short clips available on the web, and listened to in light of hearing the full album, they provided absolutely zero basis to make statements about that album. Reserve your criticisms until the album is out. :)

Nolan, could you reccomend some Vangellis? I've been meaning to pick up some of his stuff and never had the chance. :)

[Franciszek]

I suggest that the moderators will ban this guy. Well, in my opinion it would be a scandal if this guy was banned. The way he expressed his thoughts is probably unsuitable but same subject is not absurde and i hope he doesnt want to show his ego only.
On the other hand... during these several minutes of music in those clips Ive spotted all I expected: spontanious virtuosity,eclectism, brilliant ideas, fine arrangement, remarkable rythmic patterns- and for these I value Jordan. This is his style and hes great at it... and of course I think everyone would agree with me that its not the greatest musical masterpiece ever.

[Michael B. - The Mirror]

i heard the whole album and i am sure when you ve heard it you wont have anything to critisize! Some tracks contain pure magic (even for me as a non-keyboard player).

but i am afraid DT wouldnt be DT if there arent people -or "Fans" around that will always find *something* to complain about....

RoT kicks seriously in, so dont waste time and (pre)order this album!

[keys76]

Michael is right.
RoT contains Jordan's best work to date imho.

This CD is everything you ever wanted and more...

Jeroen

[Enigma™]

I suggest that the moderators will ban this guy.

No need to ban - he's merely expressing his opinion.

If JR was really offended by it, he'd say so himself.

[St0rMl0rD]

well, um..let's see...

if you look at dream theater's history, you'll notice three musical different periods, which were definetly affected by different keyboard players...not to be rude, but i don't think of any really significant riff that JR made for dt, like the ones of KM in another day intro, and 6 o'clock by DS...

my opinion...

[metropolis2k]

Um...

1. Derek didn't write or play on 6:00 - that would be a Kevin Moore riff.

2. A lot of things played by keyboards aren't written by the keyboardist (and vice versa). For example...

3. The Another Day intro was probably written by John Petrucci as he wrote most of the song (if not all of it) and he doubles the piano on the intro too.

4. In my opinion Jordan has contributed as much as anyone else in DT in the albums he's been on. You can pick out strong examples of his writing style in many sections and he wrote all of the Overture to SDOIT which is the most obvious example of this. I could write loads of other little sections where you can really hear his influence.

[Liquid Shadow]

Rudess wrote most of ToT

He wrote the arpeggio part that Petrucci plays in the intro of "The Glass Prison," which many people seem to remember quite well.

Does the word "Overture" ring a bell, or should I repeat all of this for you "One Last Time"?

[lighthouse]

Hey what`s so f·"$·$%ing interesting in discuss which keyboardist inluenced DT the most or who did this or that.....I really don`t see a point in that....And most of all if it brings hard words between us...


Peace
Juan Pablo

[Awake]

Hey what`s so f·"$·$%ing interesting in discuss which keyboardist inluenced DT the most or who did this or that.....I really don`t see a point in that."Debate" and "discussion of different points of view" are two of the principal functions of an "internet message board".

[lighthouse]

Yeah, but a topic like this was locked a few months ago, we concluded that because they were completely different musicians the subject was pointless....

Of course I agree in that the message board is for discusion and exchanging points of view, but you must do it in a respectful way and maintaining a friendly environment.


Cheers
Juan Pablo

[St0rMl0rD]

well...i like older dt better than new one... :?

[Liquid Shadow]

That's not even what this thread is supposed to be about...

[WoofWoofX]

Ladies & Gentelmen... :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is getting way out of hand.

Love each other :(

[ChrisMcCoy]

If the album's not released for over a month yet, how exactly can you have heard it to be offering criticism, constructive or otherwise? Before Feeding the Wheel was released, there were short clips available on the web, and listened to in light of hearing the full album, they provided absolutely zero basis to make statements about that album. Reserve your criticisms until the album is out. :)

Nolan, could you reccomend some Vangellis? I've been meaning to pick up some of his stuff and never had the chance. :)

MY THOUGHT EXACTLY ! :D

[Nolan]

sorry Chris,

You mean that you also want some advice on Vangelis :D :D



Coen


couldn't resist to lighten up the thread 8)

[6fingers]

just listened to ROT in its entirety. OMG. THis is for me by far the best Rudess until now. CAn't wait to get the original album.
It's just plain crazy, and the guitar work... amazing !

[Awake]

just listened to ROT in its entirety. OMG. THis is for me by far the best Rudess until now. CAn't wait to get the original album.
It's just plain crazy, and the guitar work... amazing !
How is it that some people on this forum, outside of the mods, have copies of the album before its release? Did I miss something here?

[keys76]

For most albums there are promotional CD's available.

The exact album hasn't been released yet.
August 31 is the day if I'm right.

Jeroen

[Kurzweilfreak]

If I had anything to complain about, it would be that the damn waiting for the album!! :lol:

[6fingers]

How is it that some people on this forum, outside of the mods, have copies of the album before its release? Did I miss something here?

There is DC++ and there are people who share it. I don't, however, and I intend to buy the original when it is released, but I wanted to know what I am going to pay for. Am I to blame for that ? The vast majority of new releases are already found on the web before their release, there's nothing special about it.

[ChrisMcCoy]

sorry Chris,

You mean that you also want some advice on Vangelis :D :D



Coen


couldn't resist to lighten up the thread 8)

Yes, I'll take the Vangelis Too ! :D :D

[keys76]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=402623081 4&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

WTF??

Jeroen :roll:

[Awake]

How is it that some people on this forum, outside of the mods, have copies of the album before its release? Did I miss something here?

There is DC++ and there are people who share it. I don't, however, and I intend to buy the original when it is released, but I wanted to know what I am going to pay for. Am I to blame for that ? The vast majority of new releases are already found on the web before their release, there's nothing special about it.
In other words, you illegally downloaded copyrighted sound recordings without the expressed consent of the owner of that copyright. So the answer to you question "am I to blame" is: yes, actually. Technically, what you've done isn't illegal; unless there's an article of Romanian law dealing with this, it is the making available of copyrighted material without expressed permission, not downloading it, that is illegal under the DMCA (in the US) or the European Union Copyright Directive (in Europe), which means even when Romania becomes a member of the EU, you won't be breaking the law as such. Neither the fact that you've probably not broken the law, nor your contention that you'll buy the album anyway, doesn't make it any more right, though.

Your statement that the vast majority of new releases are available on the web, as justification for downloading it, makes as much sense as a burglar saying that the vast majority of houses don't keep their valuables in a safe. Just because it's there, and others are doing it, doesn't mean you have to or that you should.

[ChrisMcCoy]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4026230814&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

WTF??

Jeroen :roll:

That's pretty sad. Considering the Cd isn't even due to be released until August. If the idiot was trying to go for some big profit, it looks like he missed the boat. The current bid is 7.99. I hope he doesn't make squat ! What a LOSER !!!!! :shock:

[Over The Edge]

:evil: :evil: :evil:



@$$#*le!



FL
www.franklucas.net

[Taurus]

Personally I couldnt care less if it was some Top40 artist, they got money and fame enough anyways. But this is *Jordan* guys, a -real- artist who makes a living out of making -art-.
Supposively its your IDOL.. You know, the person who made you get back into playing keys again and the one who motivated you in trying to get better and better?

Its so sad that this Ebay thing is happening now as well.

ChrisMccoy, i read your post about your swedish-label in the other thread as well. That sucks ass man, cant believe things can come to that.

Reviewing a CD before its even out is just dumb. And especially when I see this on Jordan's OWN forum. Where do these people got the **** from? Plain rude and disrespectful.

If Jordan will read this, I can however assure him that atleast the other 99% of his fans do respect him and will be helping him purchasing the actual CD so he can make many many more great music for us to enjoy.
Many great music that we keyboardists -learn from-, in not just a musical way.

Just dont get blinded by a couple of rotten apples in the crowd there.. They rott.. away.. anyways.

[Over The Edge]

I will go out and actually BUY my own copies thank
you very much! 8)




FL
www.franklucas.net

[AFKAR]

I will go out and actually BUY my own copies thank
you very much! 8)


Ditto......i sometimes wonder how i can afford to do this all the time....but then i realise how fussy i am

Music is such an expencive hobby...

:evil: :wink:

[Enigma™]

thread locked...

If you wanna know why:
http://jordanrudess.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2961