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Athox
04-01-2008, 06:14 PM
Now, I know it's starting to get a bit old (oh my, 2 years!!), but at the same time, it's an amazing instrument that hasn't really got the attention that it deserves (maybe because of the marketing profile). I've had it for about 5 weeks now, and I dig it.

Roland SH-201

First some facts...

It has:
- 49 keys, no aftertouch, but velocity sensitive
- a 3-way joystick (standard Roland)
- a D-beam controller (now also standard Roland)
- 2 oscillators which include the Roland super saw waveform (think thick phat saw-wave). These can work alone or together in many ways, which are explained later.
- 32 preset patches and 32 user editable patches. One of the preset patches (last one) is an empty patch, for easy access. Brilliant. Also you can download various patch packs, including one by Jordan (http://www.roland.com/SH-201/index.html). Oh that reminds me, gotta test that one soon.
- MIDI IN/OUT (can be changed to IN/THRU or to work as MIDI IN/USB-MIDI OUT, etc.)
- pedal input to be used either for expression or switch (couldn't get my korg exp-2 to work, but that may have to do with the fact that it's korg and the synth is roland).
- audio input, RCA jacks, for cd player, etc.
- 10 voice polyphony (5 per oscillator or 10 if only one is used).

It also has an arpeggiator and a sequencer, but that's definately not the main reason to buy it, seeing as they are both limited.

The SH201 is marketed as a synth for learning sound synthesis, and it does that job very good. I already knew how to make sounds, considering I have to press thousands of buttons on my Yamaha MO8 just to produce a sine wave. Imagine my delight when getting to play with this little piece of genius and endless fun!

I'm using it on my right hand for leads, and sometimes as a layer in a bigger combination on my Triton. Makes a difference with its unique sounding... sounds.

Sounds

I'll say a bit about the presets that come with it.

Most of them are bass sounds, which are nice, but not really what I use. It's ok though, it's not filled with them, plus I can still overwrite half of them.

Then next up there are a lot of leads. Those are mainly techno-based (I'm using the term techno widely here, I'm "not into" that part of the music world), but that can be explained by the target audience for this product - people with no skills at all :biggrin:.

THE PADS! Oh my, they're just brilliant. I'll leave it at that. What else can I say?

There are a couple of string patches as well (synth strings of course), including an attempt at some mellotron-like sound. That one is nice, but the limited polyphony makes for limited use. I really wonder why they couldn't make room for more voices (polyphony) in such a simple instrument like this. It's a virtual analog, sure, but it's VIRTUAL!

Other sounds include some noise based ones, like wind or whistling, as well as some bell patches. There is a limited amount of sounds you can make with only 8 different waveforms. It's not a workstation or a rompler, after all.

Ok, off to the technical bits...

Oscillators

Waveforms: Saw, Square, Pulse (with accompanying pulse width knob), Triangle, Sine, Noise (white, but can of course be filtered), Feedback (pulse width knob here works as a brightness control) and Super Saw (pulse width knob here works as pitch spread of the 7 different saw waves in this single wave).

I love the super saw. Enough about that.

It also has an EXT IN setting, to use the input (1/4" jacks) through the signal chain. Besides that the EXT IN can also be used as a separate signal chain with only a filter applied to it, in addition to the two oscillators doing whatever they do.

I said that the oscillators can work in many ways. Well. Basically like any other synth with two oscillators, really. :tongue: But, the ease of use is the key here. With the push of a (5th) button you can make one oscillator the 5th harmonic of the other oscillator. Cool, huh? Also works for making it an octave lower (-OCT key). So much for programming the buttons above the pitch wheel on the Kurz, huh?

You can of course also specify this through the use of the pitch knob if you need any other harmonic within three octaves up or down. There is a "wide"-button which changes the range of the pitch knob from 1 octave up/down to 3 octaves up/down.

The oscillators can be split or layered and be played separately.

The pitch envelope consists of three sliders of attack time, decay time and depth (+/- amount). So easy to use that you'll probably change it live just for the heck of it.

Mix/mod

Next up is the first "effects" section, which combines the two waves to create the one sound. There are three choices:
- MIX: just adds them on top of each other, each doing their own bit.
- SYNC: forces oscillator 1 to restart its cycle every time oscillator 2 completes one.
- RING: ring modulator.

It also has a choice of boosting or cutting the low frequencies. You can't choose the cut frequency, probably for ease of use. This is one thing that I would have liked to be able to do, or even just have a few choices.

Filters

The filters are few but simple. You choose high/low/band pass filter.. or bypass (get it? :tongue: ). Choose slope (12db or 24db) and cutoff/resonance, as on other synths.

Then there is a key follow knob, which changes where the cutoff frequencies are (the "knees" of the filter) depending on which keys you are pressing. Moving the knob up or down changes the cutoff frequency up or down, etc. It can also reverse (minus) so that when you move up the keyboard, the cutoff frequency goes down, which makes for some interesting results.

The filter envelope is the same as the pitch envelope, except it also has sliders for sustain depth (relative to overall depth) and release time.

Amp

The amp section has an overdrive button which - surprise surprise - creates an overdrive effect on the sound. The depth of the distortion can be changed by holding down the button and moving the amp level knob. Very useful.

The amp envelope is the same as the filter envelope except it doesn't have an overall depth slider.

LFOs

Then we have the LFOs, of which there are two. They work like every other LFO, and on this synth, you tell the LFO what to control, not the thing to be controlled by the LFO. See the difference?

So again, very easy to use, since you can set the LFO and then tell it where to go, instead of having to go there and telling it to read the signal of the LFO. Saves time and it's more fun, as you can edit sounds faster.

Each LFO can have 2 destinations.

Effects

There are two effects, reverb and delay. We all know how those work. You can also load some reverb or delay effect templates by holding down and pressing wildly around.

More?

In general there are many things you can do by holding down this and that button and pressing wildly anywhere, but there's just too much for me to write about. There are 6 pages in the manual listing that bit. Most of them are settings, like the midi thing I mentioned in the beginning.

There are also DOZENS of possibilities in the sound making department that I haven't even gotten into myself, I just know that they're there. Holding buttons and pressing wildly, etc.

I won't talk about the audio filter bit because I haven't used it at all.

All patches can also be edited through the pc/mac software (not compatible with vista, by the way.. there was a nice notice that came with it which said "NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS VISTA!").


So... how would I rate this one...

For being a tutorial instrument that it is, I'd say it does the job to full score.
But more interestingly:

For use in composing, 3/6 - lacking a bit, mainly in polyphony
For use in sound synthesis, 4/6 - it's simple, but that's what makes it great, too
For use in your rig, 6/6 - If you're looking for a VA or if you just have room in your rig and can afford it, get this one (it's one of the cheapest synths from "the big three", and the price has dropped about 1/3 since the beginning). You won't regret it. Even if you're always looking for the special stuff, in which case you've got GAS; therefore you should still get this one, as it will become a classic. :biggrin:

No, I'm not hired by Roland, I'm just smitten.

-=AnatomiC=-
04-01-2008, 11:27 PM
I've played Sh-201 several times, and on many aspects, I like my jp8000 more.

I think they tried to recreate jp8000, by making sh201.

The most awesome thing about jp, is the Super Saw, which is the best thing ever, for huge sounding pads. Radias unison, with up to 36(?) stacked voices, doesn't even come close, IMHO. (don't get me wrong - it does sound good, but just to clean!!!)
Feedback osc is also very cool. You can make Jr leads in no time.

What Sh doesn't have, is the cross modulation, which is IMHO less sharper on jp, than on Korg Radias. Also, jp have 64 user performances and 128 user patches (performances and patches are stored independently). While Sh has only 32 double user patches, which is just not enough.

What Sh does have, is identical osc (osc 2 with super saw etc, while osc 2 on jp has only 3 basic waveforms)
Seems like Sh has a better arpegiator as well... but jp has RPS.
Sh also has audio input, but jp has more professional jack outs.

Jp has also couple of very handy and good sounding onboard effects - chorus, flanger + delay. (different types 2 in serial configuration) + 2 band EQ.
So far, I was able to make everything I wanted, without using external effect processors, which is great!
Jp has 8 voices (even with 2 osc), but they are rock solid... you will always have 8 (unless in double mode - then you will have 4). So it's not like if you use some effects, that the voices will dissapear - something Radias does, with 24 voices.
It's more than enough to use it as a mono timbral synth.
And Jp also has wave shaping... (2 parameters for each waveform)

What also awesome, is the fact that you barely notice the jumps, when your slider/knob is in the wrong spot: you just hear a very fast value change (I call it parameter portamento :biggrin: ) - while on most synth you really hear this ugly jump.

So I prefer my ol' jp8000 - but it was a synth flagship back in the nineties (was sold at 2700 bucks, I believe), and now you have to be very lucky to get it for less money than new sh201, and new sh has warranty and it's new :biggrin:

I think you can compare Sh201 and Jp8000 - seems like they have lot in common.

Btw - my rig is back (well, almost - still waiting for Radias)

Yuperdo
04-02-2008, 12:16 AM
This instrument sounds really good for a beginner like me. I'm busy following the Lainhart movies in the Online Conservatory on sound synthesis, but never actually dug into my Fusion to make things happen synthesiswise. I should do it sometime :p

Syrinx
04-02-2008, 12:54 AM
To my ears the SH-201 sounds harsh and digital sounding, the aliasing doesn't help either. The filter is not that great, maybe ok. The only plus of the SH-201 IMO is the hands-down interface, but as far as the sound goes, I'm not impressed. I truly believe that there are a bunch of FREE soft synths that sound much better than the SH-201.

For a beginner, I'd recommend either the Xiosynth, the Micron, or Korg R3, they all have VST editors so their limited interface is not a huge problem as before, but their synth engines are far more capable IMO than the SH-201.

I'd even say forget about all the above and get a controller + the Blofeld :biggrin:

-=AnatomiC=-
04-02-2008, 01:43 AM
For me, there is no such thing as a bad sounding synth... every synth has something special.
Jordan did a demo song using Sh201, and it sounded super awesome, IMHO! Warm and analog...
It's your duty as a sound designer, to get the right sound out of your synth... or rather knowing what your synths are capable of and getting the choosing the right synth.

So I wouldn't say that it sounds bad...

PS: let's not compare softsynth with hardware - sure, software "kicks ass", but some people just don't like working with them (me, for example).

Athox
04-02-2008, 07:03 AM
The difference between soft synths and "real" synths, is that you can edit the sound while you're playing, (of course you can specify certain knobs on midi boards to do this and that on soft synths, but that can't replace the real interface of it). And the SH201 has a neat interface (though simple).

Sh also has audio input, but jp has more professional jack outs.

What's more professional jack outs? :tongue:

The SH201 has two output jacks (1/4"), which is all you need... unless you want external effects routing, but that's just something you can do in other ways.

Also I wrote 1/4" jacks on input, but that was supposed to be RCA jacks. Changed it.

This instrument sounds really good for a beginner like me.

Yes, but if this is the only keyboard you'll end up with, then you're going to feel very limited very soon. It's a good synth to learn synthesis on, but I still hope you'll have something else to use as well. It's best suited as a supplement to the rig, not as the only one. :tongue:

-=AnatomiC=-
04-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Oh, what I wanted to say is that it has cinch inputs, not 1/4''... but it's better than nothing, I guess... (jp has no inputs)

But it has 1 pedal, while jp has 2 :biggrin:

Yes, Sh201 is a sidekick, not the main character... but so is jp8000. So if you are a beginner, you should get something else instead...

A pure synth can't be main synth, IMHO. I would like to spend more time with jp8000 vs sh201 to say which is better.... I just wanted to have jp, that's all...

Athox
04-02-2008, 01:39 PM
Oh, what I wanted to say is that it has cinch inputs, not 1/4''... but it's better than nothing, I guess... (jp has no inputs)

But it has 1 pedal, while jp has 2 :biggrin:

Yes, Sh201 is a sidekick, not the main character... but so is jp8000. So if you are a beginner, you should get something else instead...

A pure synth can't be main synth, IMHO. I would like to spend more time with jp8000 vs sh201 to say which is better.... I just wanted to have jp, that's all...

The SH201 has a few JP patches, which I have no idea to compare since I've never tried the JP.

Syrinx
04-02-2008, 04:13 PM
For me, there is no such thing as a bad sounding synth... every synth has something special.
Jordan did a demo song using Sh201, and it sounded super awesome, IMHO! Warm and analog...
It's your duty as a sound designer, to get the right sound out of your synth... or rather knowing what your synths are capable of and getting the choosing the right synth.

So I wouldn't say that it sounds bad...

PS: let's not compare softsynth with hardware - sure, software "kicks ass", but some people just don't like working with them (me, for example).

When I pay close to $600 for an instrument, I'd like to think that I'd be impressed. In my evaluation for the SH-201, I'd say this money is for the MIDI controller part, as the synth engine is just mediocre in comparison to say a $250 used K-station, feel better now ;) ?

As for the "everything is good" paradigm, I beg to differ, hugely. Life is short, and I'd better spend my time to invest in a worthy instrument that will sound good with minimum effort, not having to wrestle the thing to squeeze a half way decent sound. And as far as Jordan's use of the SH-201, he's a genius and his playing accounts more for the quality of the demo song he made. In the end, how many solos can you list that Jordan used the SH-201 exclusively?

This is my OPINION, it's not like a fact, so please no one takes this in the wrong way. I just think that there is a lot of competition in the synth market and a product like the SH-201 would either have to be much cheaper than $600 or to sound as good as the competition, that's all.

-=AnatomiC=-
04-02-2008, 11:50 PM
Yes, Jordan can make anything sound good, that's a fact... but I really enjoyed the sound also.
I not saying I'm going to buy one - I always wanted a JP, and I had expectations from it (I was looking for some particular sounds) and now that I have it, I can say that I'm completely satisfied... and I haven't payed much for it....
And well, if Sh201 comes very close to it, it's worth its price, IMHO.

About limitation: my Rogue is 100 times more limited, but I love it!!! (not that I'm going to take it to a gig)

About Jp patches on sh201 - Fantom x has couple of JP pateches also, but they sound nothing like jp.... and Sh doesn't have Jp sound engine - it has V-synth sound engine.

Syrinx
04-03-2008, 08:26 AM
Liking/disliking a certain sound is a highly subjective matter. I kind of like the smooth analog(-ish) lead sounds, not the harsh metallic ones. That's why I'm not at ease with the so-called raw sound of the SH-201. I tend to layer the harsher sounds with smoother ones to get a nice patch, but can't seem to like them on their own.

And as far as the SH-201 and V-Synth having the same VA engine, well, with the VSynth you have tons of other features and tweaks to shape the sounds to your liking, plus you could load your own samples.

-=AnatomiC=-
04-03-2008, 11:19 AM
I'm not saying that having V-synth engine is a good thing - I would say it's rather a bad thing... you get some kind of imitation, not something original.

My point was, I don't think sh201 will sound like JP, since it's not its successor, but rather an offspring of V-synth. Though they tried to make something like JP...

Syrinx
04-03-2008, 10:12 PM
I'd hope that there will be an improved SH-202, or even better, a JP-9000 any time soon. I'd like to think that the SH-201 did well on the market (look at all these youtube vids., most of them crap but hey), to the point where Roland will be encouraged to sustain their VA line.

-=AnatomiC=-
04-03-2008, 10:19 PM
No, they will never release new JP-xxxx - because it's already 12 years old. And if they do, it will be blasphemy - just what they did with Juno and Sh series. (since it won't have the original sound engine, but an entirely new one)

But I think VA line of Roland is pretty weak right now - actually it was always weak. What do they have, expect Sh201 and Jp8000? (I don't consider Sh32 to be a VA, and V-synth is more a Rompler than a VA to me, though it has VA synthesis)
Their real analogs were pretty strong...

What I really would like to see, is just recreation of famous Roland keyboards, with some improvements... like real analog Sh-101 (original design), with stuff like endless encoders, MIDI and memory (and some additional parameters, but the original sound engine!!!).... or Jp-8000, with updated looks, more polyphony etc...
Or just plain ol' skool versions, but new with warranty....

That would be awesome